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Re: Is (t^2-9)/(t-3) defined at t=3?
Posted: Sep 30, 2013 1:21 PM
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On Sunday, September 29, 2013 5:30:49 PM UTC-7, Hetware wrote:
> On 9/29/2013 8:06 PM, quasi wrote:
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> > Hetware wrote:
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> >>
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> >> What I am saying is that if I encountered an expression such
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> >> as (t^2-9)/(t-3) in the course of solving a problem in
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> >> applied math, I would not hesitate to treat it as t+3 and not
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> >> haggle over the case where t = 3.
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> >
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> > And you would be wrong unless either
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> >
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> > (1) You know by the context of the application that the value
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> > t = 3 is impossible.
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> >
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> > (2) You know by the context that the underlying function must
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> > be continuous, thus providing justification for canceling the
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> > common factor of t-3, effectively removing the discontinuity.
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> >
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> > I challenged you to find a book -- _any_ book, which agrees
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> > with your naive preconception.
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> >
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> > Math book, applied math book, physics book, chemistry book,
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> > economics book -- whatever.
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> >
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> > If all the books and all the teachers say you're wrong,
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> > don't you think that maybe it's time to admit that you
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> > had a flawed conception about this issue and move on?
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> >
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> > quasi
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> >
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> I don't answer to the authority of mortals. I answer to the dictates of
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> reason. I say that it is logically consistent to view
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> (t^2-9)/(t-3) = t+3
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> as valid when t = 3. If a contradiction can be demonstrated, then the
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> proposition is clearly wrong. Note clearly that I am defining
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> (t-3)/(t-3)=1. I am not appealing to a more fundamental meaning for the
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> algebraic form.
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> I can't show you a book that explicitly tells me I can do this, but I
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> can cite one that tells me that I can get away with it, until you prove
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> a contradiction:
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> http://books.google.com/books/about/Grundz%C3%BCge_Der_Mathematik_Fundamentals_o.html?id=1N0lMwEACAAJ


So, logically, you know what is the value of f = 0/0? According to the definition of division ('/'), f is that number which, when multiplied by the denominator (0 in this case) gives the numerator (also 0 in this case). So, you want an f that gives you 0*f = 0. That is the DEFINITION of division! (If you insist on being logical, you should insist on starting with the definition.) So, tell me: what is the value of f, and why do you claim that value?


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