"Lord Androcles" <71stPigeonHole6thFloor@Rochester.castle> wrote in message news:z_A3u.firstname.lastname@example.org... > > > "Tom Potter" wrote in message news:email@example.com... > > > "Lord Androcles" <71stPigeonHole6thFloor@Rochester.castle> wrote in > message > news:kVY2u.firstname.lastname@example.org... >> >> >> "Tom Potter" wrote in message news:email@example.com... >> >> >> "Lord Androcles" <71stPigeonHole6thFloor@Rochester.castle> wrote in >> message >> news:opS2u.9534$eW3.firstname.lastname@example.org... >>> >>> >>> "Tom Potter" wrote in message news:riN2u.6885$Bi.email@example.com... >>> >>> >>> "Lord Androcles" <71stPigeonHole6thFloor@Rochester.castle> wrote in >>> message >>> news:firstname.lastname@example.org... >>>> >>>> "I don't know" -- Michael Moroney wrote in message >>>> news:email@example.com >>>> "I guess" -- Michael Moroney wrote in message >>>> news:firstname.lastname@example.org >>>> gamma = 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) >>>> for v = 0.9994c, >>>> gamma = 1/sqrt(1-0.9994^2) >>>> = 28.87184456102242327529861961622 >>>> Clever Michael Moroney agrees! >>>> >>>> Speed of Astronaut in the frame of Sirius = distance /time >>>> = 8.6 ly / 8.605 years = 0.9994c >>>> Clever Michael Moroney agrees! >>>> >>>> Speed of Sirius in the frame of Astronaut =( 8.6 * gamma) / ( >>>> 8.605/gamma) >>>> = 0.9994 * gamma^2 >>>> = 834.7c >>>> "Nothing can exceed the speed of light" >>>> Stupid Mickey Moron doesn't like it. Stupid Mickey Moron wants his own >>>> relativity to replace Einstein's. Stupid Mickey Moron ran away. >>> >>> gamma = 1/cosine(A) - 1 >>> >>> where cosine(A) is the cosine of the angle >>> whose sine is velocity(A)/C. >>> >>> The velocity/C sine function is called beta >>> and also the fine structure constant. >>> >>> Considering that the velocity >>> of electro-magnetic propagation in a medium >>> ========================================== >>> What medium is that, Potty? Ectoplasm, the ghost of aether? >>> >>> -- Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway >> >> Electromagnetic waves convey action >> from a sources to sinks >> much like Newton's cradle. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Newtons_cradle_animation_book_2.gif >> >> Maxwell modeled the transfer very well >> with his "displacement current". >> >> In order to explain how electromagnetic action propagated, >> Maxwell came up with the concept of "dielectric displacement" >> ===================================================== >> Yes, we know, aether. Seven years after Maxwell's death Michelson >> made it redundant, rendering Maxwell's theory of permittivity of aether >> obsolete. When the substance vanishes its properties vanish too. >> Your Newton's cradle analogy is a good one; but for a magnetic field, >> not a displacement current. Had Maxwell lived he'd have modified his >> theory. When the first ball is raised it has potential energy and no >> motion, akin to a voltage. When released the PE falls to zero and >> the KE is at a maximum, akin to a magnetic field. Striking the next >> ball, the first ball stops dead and the KE is transferred to the next >> ball which rises. You've got displacement KE, but not displacement >> current. You can do the same with a chain of transformers, the >> secondary winding connected to the primary of the next transformer, >> but the links in the chain are alternating copper loop, iron loop, >> copper loop, iron loop... with an electric current in the copper and >> a magnetic flux in the iron. So I'll say again: What medium is that, >> Potty? Ectoplasm, the ghost of aether? Electromagnetic waves are >> the alternating fields that exist without the hardware of copper >> and iron. AND WITHOUT AETHER. >> Corollary: >> The velocity of light is source dependent, not aether dependent >> or observer dependent. Newton's cradle (if you want the analogy) >> works just the same in the ISS travelling at 17,000 mph and so does >> MMX. >> Newton would agree, Galileo would agree, William of Ockham >> would agree. Throw that gamma shit out, it's for the birds. >> >> -- Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway > > I am saddened to see that my pal Androcles > did not understand my post, > > which clearly indicated that the AETHER > is the geometry used to map objects and events. > > Gamma, like geometry, is a useful tool. > > All of Maxwell's tools work very well, > and if he had stated that > "The map is not the territory." > > people wouldn't be making such a fuss > over an AETHER and Relativity. > > -- > Tom Potter > ========================================================= > A hammer is a useful tool for rivets that Potty uses to drive screws > without turning them. Rivets join iron, screws join wood. It's a poor > teacher that can't answer his student's questions. You didn't answer my > question, so I'll ask a third time: What medium is that, saddened Potty? > Ectoplasm, the ghost of aether? > > -- Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway
I am saddened to see that my pal Androcles thinks that the essence of what many perceive as space and aether is limited to an aether.
I must point out to my pal, that objects can be plotted on maps
and copies of the map can be widely distributed,
and a common reference such as the average size of a pea can be used to convey
information about the objects to folks who have access to the map copies.
The maps can be used to store, maintain, analyze, correlate and make models of the relationships between the objects on the map,
BUT the map is NOT the territory.
The map used to store, maintain, analyze, correlate and make models of the relationships between the real world objects is Euclidean geometry,
and through some people project spaces and aethers onto the relationships between real world objects, they lose sight of the fact that the map is NOT the territory.
In other words, sentient beings use real world objects [ Like peas. ] and repetitive effects [ Like the period of an atomic clock.]
to quantize the order and relationships of real world objects and after they transfer the quantizations to a Euclidean map in their mind, some confuse the map with the territory.