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Topic: Simplifying Algebraic Expressions with Subtracted Expressions
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 Robert Hansen Posts: 11,345 From: Florida Registered: 6/22/09
Re: Simplifying Algebraic Expressions with Subtracted Expressions
Posted: Nov 14, 2013 7:17 PM
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I looked at the article again. The problem is from a 5th grade textbook ...

"A few years ago the field of U.S. mathematics education experienced a small shock from a word problem in a fifth-grade Singapore textbook..."

And it is prior to the students learning algebra ...

"The time at which students are asked this question, just after learning division by fractions, is very important. Prior to that, students have not learned the entire definition system. Later, students will learn to solve such problems using algebra."

I realize she is trying to describe the state of mind of a complete arithmetic student. Where you expect a student to be after a very solid arithmetic experience. I also recognize the importance of definitions and layering them through those years. However, I am not so keen on her notion that this "defines" solid arithmetic, it is just but one of the defining elements. I also no longer believe that a solid sequence of arithmetic is best defined by elements, strands or standards. After studying so many such descriptions of solid arithmetic, I still find the very best description to be a good textbook on the subject, complete with problems and exercises, from start to finish.

I realize that education went the other direction the last 20 years, trying to define arithmetic (and algebra etc.) with standards and strands, and the curriculums have suffered and are weak compared to those previously. I don't know if that will change anytime soon, but I collected all the classics in case it doesn't.:)

Bob Hansen

On Nov 14, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Robert Hansen <bob@rsccore.com> wrote:

> But you do agree that for word problems less complicated than this there is no {x}? I mean that the the student identifies and controls, even subconsciously. That would be algebra. I was under the impression that this problem was given to elementary students without the benefit of algebra. I need to read the article again once my plane gets off the ground.
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> Bob Hansen
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>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Joe Niederberger <niederberger@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I think so for a word problem of this type there would have to be something in the mind that stands for "total #tarts produced

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11/11/13 MVTutor
11/11/13 Robert Hansen
11/12/13 Bishop, Wayne
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11/13/13 Jonathan J. Crabtree
11/13/13 Bishop, Wayne
11/14/13 Joe Niederberger
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11/14/13 Joe Niederberger
11/14/13 Robert Hansen
11/14/13 Joe Niederberger
11/14/13 Robert Hansen
11/14/13 Louis Talman
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11/15/13 Robert Hansen
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