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Brian Q. Hutchings

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Re: rational n-gon inscribed in a unit circle
Posted: Dec 15, 2013 8:14 PM
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> It seems easier to construct rational point polygons than rational side length
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> polygons, for the regular and convex it is all inside the triangle. (It is
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> easy to construct the rational divisions of the angles.) Then, for the chord
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> and line length, it is always the chords of the radius for the side length to
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> match 1-1 with arc length, for just a rat


ional side length edge. Then for
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> the rest of the edges it is whether the rest of the circle, worked out from the
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> arc length, with have these rational edges. The idea is to treat it from 0 to
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> 2pi, around the circle, but also -pi to pi. 0 to 2pi is counter-clockwise, ccw
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> (right hand rule), -pi to pi is clockwise, or ccw. This is where the
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> properties of all the vertices of the polygon are that they are on the circle
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> for convex vertices (for convex polygons) and if internal then concave. It
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> seems obvious there are rational side length pairs, connecting any two points,
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> eg of the square of the line through them as a diagonal. So, concave polygons
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> with rational side lengths, can be constructed from rational convex polygons,
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> here as to whether its possible to construct, for an irrational length, two
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> rational lengths connected by a third point here inside the circle, of a
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> rational length through the third point between the vertices otherwise at an
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> irrational distance. Then the idea is that there are those, concave polygons
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> bounded by a circle with only rational side lengths for any collection of
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> vertices on the circle, then that

from actual rational side lengths, they have
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> all of regular geometry around them then, the regular n-gons. Then the idea
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> is to use constructions of arc length, and the convex, but that the concave is
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> the case for all rational lengths in the geometry, then as to that the
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> cyclotomic fields are regular with usual reversibility in cyclotomic fields,
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> here for 0 to 2pi or -pi to pi. Given two points, is it possible to construct
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> a third point of rational distance to each, compare

ed to a third distance fixed
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> as one? It seems so where it is less than two. Given two points that are
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> irrational, is it possible to construct a point at rational distances from each
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> endpoint, here without distance fixed? Here it is so if above, for whatever
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> rational distance there would be, that the path would be of rational length.
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> Then though as to the rational division of the angles, that is of the
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> isosceles, and the base being regular in the isosceles where it is irrational,
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> has whether it is then of the irrational components in the angle formulae, to
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> divide those out, then for building the convex polygons on the circle with
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> those. Then the side length, of the convex, to each be an integer in relation
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> to the others as some integers, as scaled from 1.0, for them to be rational, it
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> divides the arc length with the same ratios. The arc length is 2pi radians.
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> What it is there is that the

polygon on the circle is the outside of the
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> connected set of all the vertices with the vertices on the circle, all the
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> edges are inner. Here for the outermost edges as there are, these to be
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> regular or as to rational would be then that as connected, the points have
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> usual constructions to all the other points, here up in the cyclomatic fields
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> of those, the vertices of the polygon on the circle, as connected set of edges,
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> with that there are outer edges so the polygon is convex, then that it is on
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> the circle so the connections conserve a maximum or inequality, here of the
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> angles and thus distances. Then like Gauss is finding in the Mersenne, the
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> prime and co-prime in the cyclomatic may have tractable forms for rational
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> (PRUC one point) n-gons.
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> For general interest in geometry, there is the regular inscribed n-gon. Is the


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> line segment the two-sided case? It is always rational. There are a lot of
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> ways to find many of these. It's nice to type these, I wrote that an hour ago
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> then just now add a few words. Mostly though it's all one spew. And me typing
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> it is the spell-check. The polygon's vertices that are each irrational, adding
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> to those more vertices of rational distance, the result can be a polygon of
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> only rational lengths. Then obviously the original vertices at at most one not
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> originally rational, that's though a definition because the original n
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> irrational points just have one that can surely be made rational as zero by
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> subtracting it, but also 4-5 them here for the 2n-1, and triangle points, then
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> also for 4 and 5 and line points.



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