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Topic: Re: ONE proof of God. Which One?
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Re: ONE proof of God. Which One?
Posted: Jan 6, 2014 8:51 PM
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Peter Olcott wrote:
> On 1/6/2014 7:40 PM, kamerm wrote:
>> Peter Olcott wrote:
>>> On 1/6/2014 7:26 AM, kamerm wrote:
>>>> Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 1/6/2014 6:33 AM, kamerm wrote:
>>>>>> Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>>>> ...

>>>>>>> Through analytical reasoning it has been determined that both
>>>>>>> belief and disbelief are always incorrect even when their
>>>>>>> conclusions are true. Both belief and disbelief form definite
>>>>>>> conclusions on the basis of less than complete proof, so both of
>>>>>>> them are essentially liars.
>>>>>>> The above statement proves itself true entirely on the basis of
>>>>>>> the meaning of its words. The only truth that can be completely
>>>>>>> relied upon is truth that can be completely verified entirely on
>>>>>>> the basis of the meaning of its words.

>>>>>> dynamical systems such as living humans by definition sequester
>>>>>> (hide) far mor information than they display.
>>>>>> If you are to act effectively in a world governed by dynamical
>>>>>> systems, as a dynamical system, and as part of dynamical systems,
>>>>>> then you must always act on the basis of knowledge insufficient
>>>>>> for certainty, or not act as all. However, if you continually
>>>>>> fail to act, then you surrender both your
>>>>>> capabilities as a dynamical system, and once misfortune comes
>>>>>> your way and you fail to act, your status as a dynamical system.
>>>>>> Note that this discusses action only as overt motion. Mystical
>>>>>> considerations relevant to the causes/non-causes of the overt
>>>>>> action per a.z & a.p.t are not intended in this statement.
>>>>>> -k

>>>>> I agree with everything you said.
>>>>> My purpose was to show that it is logically incorrect for humans
>>>>> to be so damn sure of themselves. Both atheists and believers
>>>>> commit this humongous error.
>>>>> My point was to show that it is an error in an absolute sense. In
>>>>> a sense independent of a point of view, or a fallible human
>>>>> opinion. My position on this matter completely proves itself
>>>>> entirely on the basis of the meaning of its words.
>>>>> Only positions that completely prove themselves true entirely on
>>>>> the basis of the meaning of their words can be completely relied
>>>>> upon.

>>>> then Truth is reduced to math, and more flexible words like
>>>> "useful", "timely", "appropriate", "suitable", "convenient" become
>>>> the standard outside of formal language. not a bad (or unique)
>>>> notion, really :-) in what way to you find notions of Deity/s useful or
>>>> inappropriate?, and if "useful",
>>>> => how are notions of Deity/s "appropriate" for discussions with
>>>> atheists in alt.atheism (who have apriori already declared Deity/s
>>>> unsuitable), or folks considering Truth (though "Validity" is more
>>>> precise) in formal systems in alt.logic or alt.math?
>>>> Note that for my own part, following convention, i prefer reserving
>>>> "Valid" for formal language, "Truth" for well demonstrated mappings
>>>> of physical phenomena onto formal systems, and "Useful" and its
>>>> peers for all else. However, this being alt.*, am happy to follow
>>>> suit with anyone who gives some indication of how their terms are
>>>> being used at the moment ;-D -k

>>> In order to mathematically optimize existence the basis must be
>>> truth.

>> by definition
>> but we can make plenty good progress by successive approximations,
>> while we're waiting for the ultimate truth and accompanying theorems
>> and protocols on how to parse and apply it to show up ;-)
>> -k

> All all of reality is entirely different that most people are aware.

most of reality extends vastly beyond our awareness <shrug>


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