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Peter Olcott

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Re: ONE proof of God. Which One?
Posted: Jan 6, 2014 9:02 PM
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On 1/6/2014 7:51 PM, kamerm wrote:
> Peter Olcott wrote:
>> On 1/6/2014 7:40 PM, kamerm wrote:
>>> Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>> On 1/6/2014 7:26 AM, kamerm wrote:
>>>>> Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/6/2014 6:33 AM, kamerm wrote:
>>>>>>> Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> ...

>>>>>>>> Through analytical reasoning it has been determined that both
>>>>>>>> belief and disbelief are always incorrect even when their
>>>>>>>> conclusions are true. Both belief and disbelief form definite
>>>>>>>> conclusions on the basis of less than complete proof, so both of
>>>>>>>> them are essentially liars.
>>>>>>>> The above statement proves itself true entirely on the basis of
>>>>>>>> the meaning of its words. The only truth that can be completely
>>>>>>>> relied upon is truth that can be completely verified entirely on
>>>>>>>> the basis of the meaning of its words.

>>>>>>> dynamical systems such as living humans by definition sequester
>>>>>>> (hide) far mor information than they display.
>>>>>>> If you are to act effectively in a world governed by dynamical
>>>>>>> systems, as a dynamical system, and as part of dynamical systems,
>>>>>>> then you must always act on the basis of knowledge insufficient
>>>>>>> for certainty, or not act as all. However, if you continually
>>>>>>> fail to act, then you surrender both your
>>>>>>> capabilities as a dynamical system, and once misfortune comes
>>>>>>> your way and you fail to act, your status as a dynamical system.
>>>>>>> Note that this discusses action only as overt motion. Mystical
>>>>>>> considerations relevant to the causes/non-causes of the overt
>>>>>>> action per a.z & a.p.t are not intended in this statement.
>>>>>>> -k

>>>>>> I agree with everything you said.
>>>>>> My purpose was to show that it is logically incorrect for humans
>>>>>> to be so damn sure of themselves. Both atheists and believers
>>>>>> commit this humongous error.
>>>>>> My point was to show that it is an error in an absolute sense. In
>>>>>> a sense independent of a point of view, or a fallible human
>>>>>> opinion. My position on this matter completely proves itself
>>>>>> entirely on the basis of the meaning of its words.
>>>>>> Only positions that completely prove themselves true entirely on
>>>>>> the basis of the meaning of their words can be completely relied
>>>>>> upon.

>>>>> then Truth is reduced to math, and more flexible words like
>>>>> "useful", "timely", "appropriate", "suitable", "convenient" become
>>>>> the standard outside of formal language. not a bad (or unique)
>>>>> notion, really :-) in what way to you find notions of Deity/s useful or
>>>>> inappropriate?, and if "useful",
>>>>> => how are notions of Deity/s "appropriate" for discussions with
>>>>> atheists in alt.atheism (who have apriori already declared Deity/s
>>>>> unsuitable), or folks considering Truth (though "Validity" is more
>>>>> precise) in formal systems in alt.logic or alt.math?
>>>>> Note that for my own part, following convention, i prefer reserving
>>>>> "Valid" for formal language, "Truth" for well demonstrated mappings
>>>>> of physical phenomena onto formal systems, and "Useful" and its
>>>>> peers for all else. However, this being alt.*, am happy to follow
>>>>> suit with anyone who gives some indication of how their terms are
>>>>> being used at the moment ;-D -k

>>>> In order to mathematically optimize existence the basis must be
>>>> truth.

>>> by definition
>>> but we can make plenty good progress by successive approximations,
>>> while we're waiting for the ultimate truth and accompanying theorems
>>> and protocols on how to parse and apply it to show up ;-)
>>> -k

>> All all of reality is entirely different that most people are aware.
> most of reality extends vastly beyond our awareness <shrug>
> -k

Its a paradigm shift kind of thing.

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