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Topic: integral for fun
Replies: 25   Last Post: Mar 6, 2014 4:10 PM

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 Richard Fateman Posts: 1,539 Registered: 12/7/04
Re: integral for fun
Posted: Mar 4, 2014 7:31 PM

On 3/4/2014 9:51 AM, hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl wrote:
> Users may want to use more forms,
> and integration program should express (if possible) answer
> in terms of functions appearing in users input.

I agree with this.

There is a larger question, which is the context of an actual
integral: to what extent does it matter if one has a
closed form or not? It is pressing if the integral
is actually a multiple (nested) integral as appeared
in evaluating Feynman diagrams, in which case evaluating
some of the inner ones in closed form reduced the
computation substantially. The Reduce system was used
(heavily?) for this. But for a single integral, the case is not so clear.

Today, I think that most computational scientists will first turn to a
numerical quadrature library for a (definite) integral. The insight that
comes from viewing a graph with respect to some parameter may not be a
total substitute for the insight in using a formula, but when the
formula is full of unfamiliar functions, it is hard to understand.
From this perspective, an approximation by series (taylor, asymptotic)
might be preferable.

Also, it may be the case that (after considerable computation) the
computer algebra system can't figure out some formula, and the
computation must be done numerically anyway.

It is also possible that the formula is difficult to evaluate
numerically (if that is its ultimate use)... large, unstable...

So the integration "problem" as envisioned by Liouville may
be more pure mathematics than applied mathematics. That is,
as the subject line suggests, integral for fun.
RJF

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