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Re: No need for spaghetti "axioms".
Posted: Mar 5, 2014 11:03 PM
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On Wednesday, 5 March 2014 20:32:58 UTC+2, Dan Christensen wrote:

> A number is an element of the set N as defined by Peano's axioms as above.

As I thought, you have no idea what is a number. Peano's rot does not define natural numbers, it defines the properties of natural numbers. Did we not agree to this earlier? Have you gone back to your original wrong ideas? :-)

You first said:

1. Peano's shit defines natural numbers.

And then,

2. Peano's shit defines the properties of natural numbers.

So which is it now, 1 or 2? :-)

> But this is just an informal comment. Construct your own more convoluted sentence if you don't like it. It doesn't really matter.

Nonsense. I am not about to do any such thing. A great deal of ingenuity and thought went into the construction of number. You don't get to make up your own little story (definition) as you please. :-)

So you don't have any clue what is a number. As I thought!

> To begin formally deriving number theory, however, we just list Peano's axioms at the beginning of each proof an proceed, using the rules and axioms of logic and set theory.

I have studied mainstream mathematics. I know very well what number theory is. :-) I am here to teach you, not to learn anything from you. I am here to point out the flaws with mainstream mathematics.

I have been claiming for a few decades that I am the first in 2000 years to understand what the Ancient Greeks were trying to do. Not even the idiotic modern Greeks (I doubt they are true Greeks!) understand what Euclid was trying to do.

Every professor of mathematics I have communicated with has NO IDEA what is a number or a magnitude.

In one sentence:

"A number is the *measure* of a magnitude."

> You don't seem to grasp that essential point, John Gabriel. You don't think beyond your definition to how you are going to apply it.

Bullshit. I am highly intelligent. There are less than 1% of individuals on this planet with an IQ anywhere near mine. Trust me, comprehension would be more a problem for YOU, than it would for me. :-)

I have shown you how to apply it. It's you who doesn't grasp it. Not because it is hard, but because you never tried. :-)

> If you actually tried you use your definition to, say, prove the associativity of addition, I think you would soon see several gaping holes in your informal narrative.

All the properties of numbers are generated easily from my axioms. I don't need spaghetti axioms to generate the properties of numbers.

You are placing more importance on the properties of numbers, than what they actually are. So you've written a fancy computer program that generates axioms based on a set of rules (logic). Bravo!

To make an analogy: You are looking at a human and saying it is a man because it has a penis. However, you disregard the whole human. It is not a penis which makes a human. Women are also human, but they don't have a penis.

The few properties you generate from Peano are non-remarkable. Euclid defined many far more important properties than associativity, commutativity, distributivity, etc.

The most important attribute or characteristic of a number is completely ignored:

"A number is the *measure* of a magnitude."

That's how we got numbers. I have read thousands of books on the story of number, they are all pure rot. NO ONE after the Ancient Greeks and before me even had the faintest clue what is a number. :-)

And yet, they claim to be mathematicians. Ha!

The axioms I have shown you are what Euclid was trying to explain. It took thousands of years to get to my axioms. :-)

You can't even begin to compare Peano's rot with my axioms. There is no comparison.


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