On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Robert Hansen <email@example.com> wrote:
> On Mar 16, 2014, at 12:09 PM, kirby urner <kirby.urner@GMAIL.COM> wrote: > > > ut that probably wasn't so necessary as a room with a lot of keyboards / > screens is not usually all that private. > > This is what I have found to be the best solution at home. The filtering > software is garbage, and can't effectively filter sites like Youtube, > unless your idea of filtering is no Youtube at all. It may sound old > fashioned, but putting the computer in a common area of the home or at > least insuring that the bedroom door stays open is the best I have come up > with, without limiting the web to just Yahoo Kids. > > Bob Hansen
Filtering software is not so much garbage in a setting where visited web sites are logged and can be traced to a user and junior knows this.
Even if you're alone in your cube, a lonely cube farmer working late, the corporate nanny has software to sift through the logs. I invited a friend to visit me in my cube at a conservative Catholic hospital once where I was temping, and went off to the restroom and when I came back he had a Church of the Subgenius site open he wanted me to see, and lo and behold the next day I had to call IT and talk to a human before my browser would work right anymore. You're always logged in. That big brother work environment tends to be what schools emulate, and China. Likely your router keeps logs if you want it too.
When it comes to at home, my partner and I worked at home from the same office and our children could play their computer games in our presence, me programming, she bookkeeping.
My younger daughter liked anatomy games with talking skulls showing your their bones etc. Several classics. As the youngest grew older, she played with Sims and Sim City more than with dolls, though she did have a classic doll house. By the time she was a teen she had her own computer in her own room. Her older sister had cable TV in her room but I stopped getting cable all together after awhile, renting DVDs and/or using Netflix.
We watched movies as a family quite a bit, including documentaries.
My current plan is to go back to free broadcast TV only, and DVDs.
Now my daughters are adult or in college, and my partner has passed away (she was only 53), I tend to invite people over to watch Internet stuff plus my housemate is a sometime video nut, as is at least one of my neighbors. So both the DSL and the DVD players get a workout.
I know a couple in Philadelphia that uses the Internet to do on-line courses many hours a week. These courses sometimes develop into local discussion groups. I joined a meetup of "The Philly Thinkers" when in Philly last week, based on this pattern. The assigned viewing had included six hours of a Stanford professor, Sapolsky, lecturing on human sexuality.
Here we were, about 15-20 adult strangers on a Sunday, mixed age / ethnicity, having a civil / academic / personal discussion of matters sexual in nature (bonobos much discussed), in a gigantic Starbucks. Andragogy seems to be thriving, at least in Philadelphia, thanks to the Internet. Older high schoolers of sufficient maturity could integrate into this pattern easily, as they transition into a more collegial / democratic society (would be my ideal).
Regarding Youtube, I see that as mostly PG content, really pretty innocuous ratings-wise. Some TV-14 maybe but nothing MA. I recall a nine year old girl watching people sledding on a rare snow day in Portland, saying she wanted to stop sledding herself and just "watch the fails", I understood her Internet jargon. Youtube has lots of fail collections... and Annoying Orange.
I don't care if kids watch a lot of demented stuff, since, as I was saying, I grew up on Mad Magazine at that age (4th - 8th grades). A family I know, a lot like mine, watches Myth Busters as a family and undertakes some similar experiments around the home (adult supervised). The mom has a PhD in chemistry and met the really smart dad, into statistics, at a national lab. In fact, the dad is the PB I mentioned at the start of this other thread: