On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Robert Hansen <email@example.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:00 PM, kirby urner <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > > > That's how it comes across to you because I think differently, but I > would claim just as precisely if not more so, simply using different > terminology. > > That is how it comes across to everyone. And I am not limiting myself to > just this forum. >
You're saying everyone even beyond this group sees my writing as a mash-up? Or that your thinking comes across us mushy beyond to just us 4/6ths?
Not clear on your pronouns.
In the case of my writing, it's at least self-consistent which helps those who bother to explore it with some recurring reference points, comforting continuity and so on. I have many subscribers who appreciate my reliability, which is different from predictability.
> 1. Is the faith in religion the same as the faith in science? > > You said yes and no, I will take that as a yes, because even "yes and no" > in the context of that question means yes. >
Yes, I meant faith in religion to give us this day our daily bread and faith in Coca-Cola to feed us this day our family of shareholders, have a lot in common, starting with brand loyalty based on identifiable iconography.
People forget Coca-Cola brought us Santa Claus as we (many of us) know him. We don't give credit where credit is due. The secular (aka "profane") is no less influential than the more exalted stuff.
Like, kids today don't learn how Dr. Seuss (the kid book illustrator, Cat in the Hat) fought against Hitler either (school is deficient in sharing the lore -- thin-as-gruel what they serve, in most zip codes, sorry to say).
> 2. If not, then how are they different? > > For this question you sound as if you are still thinking about it, in more > tangents than I can count. > > Focus more on the gist of the question. As a thought experiment, you have > two individuals (just two) and they live in solitude (they never interact > with each other). One is scientific and one religious. Describe their > faiths. > > Bob Hansen
They are both loyal to a credo which they likely recite to themselves in various mantra-like ways e.g. "E = mc^2" etc.
Both "advertise to themselves" i.e. put on little shows that persuade them, as a focus group of one, of the power of one's own marketing, i.e. we get from our "religion" that we have "the right stuff" (lets file this all under the "pep talk to self" genre, e.g. what some of us might say in the mirror to ourselves (if not naturally self-deprecating or otherwise unconcerned)).
Hmmm... the list goes on and on actually. Why? Because they're both homo sapiens with many traits pre-programmed. We're but the latest in a series of hominids, hominins more specifically (not a typo).
So just by your telling me they're both sapiens, albeit in their separate worlds, I see the same servile obedience to ideas, seen to come "from a higher place" -- and I'm not saying its been bad for survival either, this sub-servitude, so don't let my mocking tone say I'm above servile obedience to ideas myself (I just hope I choose judiciously and don't waste *too* much time sacrificing to clay idols...).
Here's some example / sample science (presented in a church, but no matter):