On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Robert Hansen <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:52 PM, kirby urner <kirby.urner@GMAIL.COM> wrote: > > > You're saying everyone even beyond this group sees my writing as a > mash-up? Or that your thinking comes across us mushy beyond to just us > 4/6ths? > > The former. >
That's what I thought you probably meant.
I would not make you the judge though, nor me, if its to be a fair contest, as to which of us is less mushy in our thinking.
> > > They are both loyal to a credo which they likely recite to themselves in > various mantra-like ways e.g. "E = mc^2" etc. > > > > Both "advertise to themselves" i.e. put on little shows that persuade > them, as a focus group of one, of the power of one's own marketing, i.e. we > get from our "religion" that we have "the right stuff" (lets file this all > under the "pep talk to self" genre, e.g. what some of us might say in the > mirror to ourselves (if not naturally self-deprecating or otherwise > unconcerned)). > > > You are still mashing things together. You are telling us how they are the > same. The original question was how they are different. >
No, the question was "If they are different then..." and I stopped with "they're not, really."
But I don't agree that makes all faithful behavior "religious" in nature as one may be faithful to any credo, scientific or not.
I'm especially eager not to join in some "science versus religion" debate as if these were polar opposites.
I find this polarity to be a mental defect. But that does not mean I think atheists need to agree to call themselves "religious" just because some RH guy thinks "religious" means acting without proof or sufficient reason to prove said acting necessary.
Even the most scientific among us cannot afford to wait for science to tell us what to do. Science says "I don't know" a lot, yet we still must choose (a point I often brought up with Paul Tanner III).
Here's a good example of theism by the way, what the deists rebelled against and founded the USA to dispose of (a losing battle most likely, but they knew that then):