On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Robert Hansen <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:27 PM, kirby urner <kirby.urner@GMAIL.COM> wrote: > > > Portland is a haven for goths. On the whole I'd say goths are a great > influence and I'm glad to have them in our midst, as bar tenders, hair > cutters, computer programmers, advertisers, DJs and what not. > > I wasn't talking about real goths. I was talking about teenagers full of > angst goths. The type that even real goths don't like. >
The point: there really aren't globally shared meanings for all these terms, but there is lots to study (A is for Anthropology in STEAM).
Same is true for "religion" and "science": no globally accepted meanings or definitions, so it depends on each individual to sweep out / carve out a namespace that's clean and consistent internally. Then you can be up front with definitions and show how you're following them.
What's not productive is to assume one's own personal usage patterns are what others *must* come to eventually if only they "think deeply enough".
> > I am talking about bad attitudes in youth. Antisocial behavior. In > essence, the antithesis of milieu. > > Bob Hansen
Oft times "bad attitude" is simply rebelliousness against adults who are indeed obnoxious and over-full of themselves.
The older generation hands over a culture that's severely broken, so youth is correct to take up the torch / mantle with healthy skepticism (at least).
Anthropologically, I'd say the "anti-social" types you refer to inherit from "Drapes" and even "Beatniks" (going way back) as opposed to "Squares".