On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Robert Hansen <email@example.com> wrote:
> On Mar 18, 2014, at 10:24 PM, kirby urner <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > > > Oft times "bad attitude" is simply rebelliousness against adults who are > indeed obnoxious and over-full of themselves. > > Yeah, so it wasn't that. And that is pretty easy to distinguish. It > depends on the nature and consistency of the behavior. I have an advantage > here. I have seen the experiment where you let all the kids do anything > they want. I lived it. But even without that experience, most people can > tell the difference between rebelliousness and just plain bad attitude. > Antisocial groups bond over similar angsts and views of society. Just being > rebellious isn't enough. And there are the posers. > > Bob Hansen
Yeah, I'm not trying to second guess your local assessments and judgments, regarding a situation I know naught of. Your goths and pseudo-goths are what they are. I wasn't there. One "had to be there" as they say.
Another example of a local usage pattern:
The term "geek" comes from carnival lore, or so we get from 'Nightmare Alley', a novel turned into a movie that's from before my time, but I managed to snag anyway (Tyrone Powers plays the lead). The "geek" in a carnival was the guy so down on his luck he'd bite the head of a live chicken to draw a crowd to his sideshow.
That's why in my circles (Steve Holden and PB ) the drink called a Bloody Mary by most is known as a Headless Chicken. When you put the toothpick through two olives and a "beak", you get a chicken looking thing, with the connotation of "bloody" inherited from the parent class.
I'm sure if I go into a bar in Chicago and ask for a Headless Chicken they'll just stare at me blankly, whereas I freely admit to being an ignoramus about bar drinks, even though I manned a wine and beer counter in college. I only just learned last year what to call a vodka + grapefruit juice, one of my faves: it's a "greyhound" wouldn't ya know.
In my lingo, a "nerd" is a larval form of geek in a similar sense to pseudo-goth wannabe teens may or may not mature into full fledged goths. Geeks actually have phenomenal social skills whereas nerds are still in their shells, overly self-conscious about some putative self.
But these are far from universal usage patterns. For most people, "geek" and "nerd" are still inter-changeable, a waste of at least one good word as a synonym for the other.