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Virgil

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Re: � 488 Who said this?
Posted: Apr 30, 2014 2:44 PM
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In article <bec24584-713d-4d3d-b247-61598e322c61@googlegroups.com>,
FredJeffries <FredJeffries@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 9:11:30 AM UTC-7, muec...@rz.fh-augsburg.de
> wrote:

> > On Wednesday, 30 April 2014 17:05:37 UTC+2, FredJeffries wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 28, 2014 11:50:51 PM UTC-7, muec...@rz.fh-augsburg.de
> > > wrote:

> >
> > > > Couldn't just the seemingly so fruitful hypothesis of the infinite
> >
> > > So you do agree that the "hypothesis of the infinite" is fruitful,
> > > or at least seems to be so.

> >
> > It is not me and it is not so simple. Let me explain,
> >
> > In German we distinguish "anscheinend" and "scheinbar". Both is not easily
> > distinguished in English. "anscheinend" means: The picture appears to the
> > observer as if he could reliably draw his conclusions. I translate it with
> > "apparently". Example: The USA apparently kill many innocent people by
> > their robot plane attacks. "scheinbar" however, means that the observer
> > should not draw the conclusions from the picture that he sees, but should
> > expect that he is cheated. I translate this with "seemingly". Example: The
> > USA are seemingly observing the human rights.
> >
> > The original German text by Zermelo contains this phrase: "diese scheinbar
> > so fruchtbare Hypothese des Unendlichen". That means Zermelo says that set
> > theory is not really fruitful but seems only to be fruitful while in fact
> > it is not.
> >
> > However, even many Germans do not know their language well enough to know
> > these subtle differences. I am convinced Zermelo did not know or at least
> > did not use this distinction. Of course he wanted to express that set
> > theory is apparently fruitful, but what he really said is: set theory seems
> > to be fruitful but is not. And that is the truth in fact.

>
> So, rather than what the speaker actually meant, you prefer the magical
> meaning of the words he happened to have used. And you (dishonestly?)
> translate
> to give the impression that the speaker said and meant what you WISH he
> would have said, even though you are fully aware of his actual intentions.


It is atypical example of WM-esque dishonesty
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