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mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de

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Re: § 488 Who said this?
Posted: Apr 30, 2014 4:49 PM
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On Wednesday, 30 April 2014 22:07:44 UTC+2, Ralf Bader wrote:
> Virgil wrote:
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> > In article <334606b4-bd5f-41cb-9957-14a06e672170@googlegroups.com>,
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> > mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de wrote:
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> >> The original German text by Zermelo contains this phrase: "diese
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> >> scheinbar so fruchtbare Hypothese des Unendlichen". That means Zermelo
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> >> says that set theory is not really fruitful but seems only to be fruitful
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> >> while in fact it is not.
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> >> I am convinced Zermelo did not know or at least did
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> >> not use this distinction. Of course he wanted to express that set theory
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> >> is apparently fruitful, but what he really said is: set theory seems to
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> >> be fruitful but is not. And that is the truth in fact.
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> > It may be that what Zermelo said can be intrepreted in German as WM
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> > claims, but that does not mean that it should be.
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> > WM himself admits that that is not what Zemelo intented to say, and we
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> > have only WM's unnsuppored and unsupportable claim that WM'sc
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> > interpretation states a truth.
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> > Considering WM's track record at quote mining, I do not choose to accept
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> > WM's interpretation of anyone else's statements.
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> So Zermelo somewhere sometimes asked that question "Couldn't just the
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> seemingly so fruitful hypothesis of the infinite have straightly inserted
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> contradictions into mathematics and have fundamentally distroyed the basic
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> nature of this science which is so proud on its consistency?"
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> The answer Zermelo probably gave on this question seems to be uninteresting
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> to Mückenheim, but he produces in his usual idiotic manner a pile of
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> nonsense about Zeremelo being unable to correctly distinguish "anscheinend"
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> and "scheinbar". Well, if the hypothesis of the infinite leads to
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> contradictions then it was only "scheinbar" fruitful;


In that case Zermelo had not have to ask his question but then he had already answered it - in the negative.
Try some logic.

Regards, WM


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