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Topic: Help Needed in math
Replies: 25   Last Post: May 2, 2014 6:01 PM

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 snmpprotocol@gmail.com Posts: 29 Registered: 4/16/14
Re: Help Needed in math
Posted: May 2, 2014 12:50 PM

On Friday, May 2, 2014 12:34:17 AM UTC-7, William Elliot wrote:
> On Fri, 2 May 2014, quasi wrote:
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> > William Elliot wrote:
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> > >quasi wrote:
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> > >>...
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> > >>Nevertheless, konyberg's argument is correct.
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> > >His answer is correct. I don't see his reasoning
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> > >How does f(x) relate to the missing problem?
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> >
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> > This is all very elementary.
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> > Let g(x) = a*x^2 - 5*x - 3, for some fixed a in R.
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> >
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> > The problem was to find the largest integer value of a such that
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> > g(x) < 0 for all x in R
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> g(x) = 0 iff x = (5 +- sqr(25 + 12a))/2a. (WLOG a /= 0.)
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> Thus
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> 25 + 12a < 0; a < -25/12.
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> With that,
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> ax^2 - 5x - 3 < -25x^2 / 12 - 5x - 3
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> = -(25x^2 + 60 + 36)/12 = -(5x + 3)^2 <= 0
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> This is all elementary, simple alegbra stuff.
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> > Note that g(0) = -3 < 0, regardless of the value of a.
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> >
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> > Let f(x) = (5x + 3)/(x^2), x != 0.
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> > For x != 0,
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> > g(x) < 0 <=> a < f(x)
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> >
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> > Hence
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> > g(x) < 0 for all x in R
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> >
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> > <=> a < f(x) for all x in R with x != 0
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> >
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> > Such a value of a exists iff f is bounded below.
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> >
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> > As konyberg showed, f has a global minimum value of -25/12,
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> > hence
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> Uses basic calculus.
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> > g(x) < 0 for all x in R <=> a < -25/12
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> >
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> > It follows that the largest integer value of a such that
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> > g(x) < 0 for all x in R
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> > is -3.
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> Ok, I get it, as complicated as it is.

There is an easier way to look at this (even though it uses similar principles).

Axis of symmetry for ax^2 + bx +c = 0 is x = -b/2a = 5/2a

Value of function at axis symmetry (gives either maxima when a < 0 (curve is concave down) and minima when a > 0 (curve is concave up)):
a(5/2a)^2 -5(5/2a) - 3 = 0 --> a = -25/12

So when a = -25/12 the maxima has value 0 and so largest integer for maxima to be less than 0 is -3.

snmp

Date Subject Author
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