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Virgil

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Re: � 488 Who said this?
Posted: May 2, 2014 4:55 PM
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In article <acfcd78e-bb0c-4c73-af74-dbea8c017932@googlegroups.com>,
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de wrote:

> On Friday, 2 May 2014 21:35:49 UTC+2, Virgil wrote:
>
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> > > Can you quote any "uncountability proof" that constructs an undefinable
> > > number?

> >
>
> > The point is that
>
> The point is that you cannot.


Only because they cannot INDIVIDUALLY constructed or defined, but they
can be collectively defined one can define sets which contain
undefineable members
Consider D as the set of all finite definitions and 2^D as the set of
all subsets of D.

Does WM cLaim that D MUST contains a unique different member for each
member of 2^D?

That would require a surjection f: D --> 2^D .

But for ANY function f from D to 2^D , S ={d in D: d not in f(d)} is a
member of 2^D which is not of form f(d).

Thus no f:D -> 2^D can be surjective and thus there are "more" members
in 2^D that in D.

Thus there cannot be any such surjection, and must alwasys be
undefneable objects in any system having a set of definitions that is in
any way limited.
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