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J. Clarke

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Re: nasa.gov/scientific-consensus
Posted: Jun 4, 2014 9:06 PM
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In article <lmo5s8$97s$1@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
>
> On 6/4/2014 6:08 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

> > In article <virgil-A7CBEB.22141203062014@BIGNEWS.USENETMONSTER.COM>,
> > virgil@ligriv.com says...

> >>
> >> In article <q91to9pss92tlkpc90m6olig413lg2cesr@4ax.com>,
> >> kefischer <joefischer@iglou.com> wrote:
> >>

> >>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:40:39 -0600, Virgil <virgil@ligriv.com> wrote:
> >>>

> >>>> In article <MPG.2df82c7f3500cb9098a71e@news.newsguy.com>,
> >>>> "J. Clarke" <jclarkeusenet@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>

> >>>>> In article <kPCdnTerU499iBPOnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, ws21
> >>>>> @cornel.edu says...

> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5/31/14, 9:00 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

> >>>>>>> In article <lmcfth$gqk$1@odin.sdf-eu.org>, kym@kymhorsell.com says...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In sci.physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> Am 30.05.2014 02:36, schrieb R Kym Horsell:
> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, sure. 1-2 mm/yr c1900, 2-3 mm/yr c2000 -- It's starting to
> >>>>>>>>>> compare
> >>>>>>>>>> favourably to the last time the ice sheets melted.
> >>>>>>>>>> www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101201120605.htm
> >>>>>>>>>> 4 Dec 2010 ... Southampton researchers have estimated that
> >>>>>>>>>> sea-level
> >>>>>>>>>> rose by an average of
> >>>>>>>>>> about 1 metre per century at the end of the last Ice Age, ...

> >>>>>>>>> E.g. this article:
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140528133151.htm
> >>>>>>>>> Quote:
> >>>>>>>>> "A new study has found that the Antarctic Ice Sheet began melting
> >>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>> 5,000 years earlier than previously thought coming out of the last
> >>>>>>>>> ice
> >>>>>>>>> age -- and that shrinkage of the vast ice sheet accelerated during
> >>>>>>>>> eight
> >>>>>>>>> distinct episodes, causing rapid sea level rise."
> >>>>>>>>> How can they call this 'science'?
> >>>>>>>>> The Antarctic is NOT melting AT ALL!
> >>>>>>>>> The average temperatures are well below melting point of water, so
> >>>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>>> is little chance for ice to melt.
> >>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Antarctica
> >>>>>>>>> Icebergs are already floating, hence have no influence on the
> >>>>>>>>> sea-levels.

> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Your poor addlepated moron.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You seem to believe you can maintain one end of an iceblock at 10C
> >>>>>>>> and the other end at -11C and it doesn't melt because its
> >>>>>>>> average temperature is <0.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And you also seem to believe all ice found floating on the sea is
> >>>>>>>> frozen
> >>>>>>>> sea
> >>>>>>>> water.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sheesh.

> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regardless of its source, if it is floating on the sea and it melts it
> >>>>>>> has no effect on sea level.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>> It does if it wasn't floating in the sea previously, but was sitting up
> >>>>>> on land in a glacier. Sea level went up when it slid in.

> >>>>>
> >>>>> And its being frozen or melted has no effect on sea level so what is
> >>>>> your point?

> >>>>
> >>>> If when frozen it is on land, like glaciers are, but when melted will
> >>>> flow into the sea, as most of it will, then it does make a difference to
> >>>> the world's sea levels.

> >>>
> >>> Probably not, because the water was
> >>> in the sea in the first place, evaporated,
> >>> and fell as snow.
> >>>
> >>> And now other water is evaporating,
> >>> removing water from the sea, it is the
> >>> rain/snow cycle.

> >>
> >> If the snow and ice reservoirs in glaciers and ice floes like those in
> >> Greenland and Antarctica were remaining constant perhaps you would be
> >> right, but there is strong evidence that they are melting at an
> >> unprecedented rate, and those ice reserves collectively hold enough
> >> water in solid form to raise the ocean levels by several meters if they
> >> melt away entirely.

> >
> > I want to know where you're getting your precedents. The deepest cores
> > there only go back to the last interglacial, suggesting that the entire
> > Greenland icecap was lost at that time, which appears to be a
> > "precedent". I don't think that the Antarctic ice cores don't really
> > tell us much about loss rates yet as we are sampling in only a few
> > places and what has been lost doeesn't show up in the cores at all.
> > Perhaps sampling from a wider range of sites will give some insight into
> > rates.
> >
> > Further, get your facts straight. The Greenland icecap would raise sea
> > levels by 7 meters. Antarctica would raise it by about 60 meters. To
> > put this in perspective, the normal sea level difference between an
> > interglacial and a glacial maximum is about 120 meters.

>
> Isn't there about 100 meters of water in the North
> Sea?
>
> Wasn't the North Sea dry land during the last
> glacial maximum?
>
> The math for your interglacial and glacial math
> needs a few more meters.


If there is 100 meters of water in the North Sea and it was dry land
during the last glacial maximum that would be consistent with 120 meters
of sea level change.

I'm quoting fairl well accepted numbers, I didn't calculate them.


>
> Lynn





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