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J. Clarke

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Re: nasa.gov/scientific-consensus
Posted: Jun 5, 2014 1:38 PM
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In article <lmq6ir$lte$1@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
>
> On 6/4/2014 8:06 PM, J. Clarke wrote:

> > In article <lmo5s8$97s$1@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
> >>
> >> On 6/4/2014 6:08 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

> >>> In article <virgil-A7CBEB.22141203062014@BIGNEWS.USENETMONSTER.COM>,
> >>> virgil@ligriv.com says...

> >>>>
> >>>> In article <q91to9pss92tlkpc90m6olig413lg2cesr@4ax.com>,
> >>>> kefischer <joefischer@iglou.com> wrote:
> >>>>

> >>>>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:40:39 -0600, Virgil <virgil@ligriv.com> wrote:
> >>>>>

> >>>>>> In article <MPG.2df82c7f3500cb9098a71e@news.newsguy.com>,
> >>>>>> "J. Clarke" <jclarkeusenet@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> In article <kPCdnTerU499iBPOnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, ws21
> >>>>>>> @cornel.edu says...

> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 5/31/14, 9:00 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> In article <lmcfth$gqk$1@odin.sdf-eu.org>, kym@kymhorsell.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>> Am 30.05.2014 02:36, schrieb R Kym Horsell:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, sure. 1-2 mm/yr c1900, 2-3 mm/yr c2000 -- It's starting to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> compare
> >>>>>>>>>>>> favourably to the last time the ice sheets melted.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101201120605.htm
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4 Dec 2010 ... Southampton researchers have estimated that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> sea-level
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rose by an average of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> about 1 metre per century at the end of the last Ice Age, ...

> >>>>>>>>>>> E.g. this article:
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140528133151.htm
> >>>>>>>>>>> Quote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> "A new study has found that the Antarctic Ice Sheet began melting
> >>>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>> 5,000 years earlier than previously thought coming out of the last
> >>>>>>>>>>> ice
> >>>>>>>>>>> age -- and that shrinkage of the vast ice sheet accelerated during
> >>>>>>>>>>> eight
> >>>>>>>>>>> distinct episodes, causing rapid sea level rise."
> >>>>>>>>>>> How can they call this 'science'?
> >>>>>>>>>>> The Antarctic is NOT melting AT ALL!
> >>>>>>>>>>> The average temperatures are well below melting point of water, so
> >>>>>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>>>>> is little chance for ice to melt.
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Antarctica
> >>>>>>>>>>> Icebergs are already floating, hence have no influence on the
> >>>>>>>>>>> sea-levels.

> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Your poor addlepated moron.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You seem to believe you can maintain one end of an iceblock at 10C
> >>>>>>>>>> and the other end at -11C and it doesn't melt because its
> >>>>>>>>>> average temperature is <0.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> And you also seem to believe all ice found floating on the sea is
> >>>>>>>>>> frozen
> >>>>>>>>>> sea
> >>>>>>>>>> water.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sheesh.

> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Regardless of its source, if it is floating on the sea and it melts it
> >>>>>>>>> has no effect on sea level.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> It does if it wasn't floating in the sea previously, but was sitting up
> >>>>>>>> on land in a glacier. Sea level went up when it slid in.

> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And its being frozen or melted has no effect on sea level so what is
> >>>>>>> your point?

> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If when frozen it is on land, like glaciers are, but when melted will
> >>>>>> flow into the sea, as most of it will, then it does make a difference to
> >>>>>> the world's sea levels.

> >>>>>
> >>>>> Probably not, because the water was
> >>>>> in the sea in the first place, evaporated,
> >>>>> and fell as snow.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And now other water is evaporating,
> >>>>> removing water from the sea, it is the
> >>>>> rain/snow cycle.

> >>>>
> >>>> If the snow and ice reservoirs in glaciers and ice floes like those in
> >>>> Greenland and Antarctica were remaining constant perhaps you would be
> >>>> right, but there is strong evidence that they are melting at an
> >>>> unprecedented rate, and those ice reserves collectively hold enough
> >>>> water in solid form to raise the ocean levels by several meters if they
> >>>> melt away entirely.

> >>>
> >>> I want to know where you're getting your precedents. The deepest cores
> >>> there only go back to the last interglacial, suggesting that the entire
> >>> Greenland icecap was lost at that time, which appears to be a
> >>> "precedent". I don't think that the Antarctic ice cores don't really
> >>> tell us much about loss rates yet as we are sampling in only a few
> >>> places and what has been lost doeesn't show up in the cores at all.
> >>> Perhaps sampling from a wider range of sites will give some insight into
> >>> rates.
> >>>
> >>> Further, get your facts straight. The Greenland icecap would raise sea
> >>> levels by 7 meters. Antarctica would raise it by about 60 meters. To
> >>> put this in perspective, the normal sea level difference between an
> >>> interglacial and a glacial maximum is about 120 meters.

> >>
> >> Isn't there about 100 meters of water in the North
> >> Sea?
> >>
> >> Wasn't the North Sea dry land during the last
> >> glacial maximum?
> >>
> >> The math for your interglacial and glacial math
> >> needs a few more meters.

> >
> > If there is 100 meters of water in the North Sea and it was dry land
> > during the last glacial maximum that would be consistent with 120 meters
> > of sea level change.
> >
> > I'm quoting fairl well accepted numbers, I didn't calculate them.

>
> North Sea Rise = 100 meters
>
> Greenland icecap = 7 meters
>
> Antarctica ice cap = 60 meters
>
> Difference between interglacial and glacial maximum =
> 100 + 7 + 60 = 167 meters


Except that the Antarctic ice cap does not melt during glacial maxima.



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