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The Starmaker

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Re: nasa.gov/scientific-consensus
Posted: Jun 5, 2014 7:25 PM
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kefischer wrote:
>
> On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 11:40:56 -0500, Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> wrote:
>

> >On 6/4/2014 8:06 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> >> In article <lmo5s8$97s$1@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
> >>>
> >>> On 6/4/2014 6:08 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

> >>>> In article <virgil-A7CBEB.22141203062014@BIGNEWS.USENETMONSTER.COM>,
> >>>> virgil@ligriv.com says...

> >>>>>
> >>>>> In article <q91to9pss92tlkpc90m6olig413lg2cesr@4ax.com>,
> >>>>> kefischer <joefischer@iglou.com> wrote:
> >>>>>

> >>>>>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:40:39 -0600, Virgil <virgil@ligriv.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> In article <MPG.2df82c7f3500cb9098a71e@news.newsguy.com>,
> >>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <jclarkeusenet@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> In article <kPCdnTerU499iBPOnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, ws21
> >>>>>>>> @cornel.edu says...

> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 5/31/14, 9:00 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>> In article <lmcfth$gqk$1@odin.sdf-eu.org>, kym@kymhorsell.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Am 30.05.2014 02:36, schrieb R Kym Horsell:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, sure. 1-2 mm/yr c1900, 2-3 mm/yr c2000 -- It's starting to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> compare
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> favourably to the last time the ice sheets melted.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101201120605.htm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 Dec 2010 ... Southampton researchers have estimated that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sea-level
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rose by an average of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> about 1 metre per century at the end of the last Ice Age, ...

> >>>>>>>>>>>> E.g. this article:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140528133151.htm
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Quote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "A new study has found that the Antarctic Ice Sheet began melting
> >>>>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 5,000 years earlier than previously thought coming out of the last
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ice
> >>>>>>>>>>>> age -- and that shrinkage of the vast ice sheet accelerated during
> >>>>>>>>>>>> eight
> >>>>>>>>>>>> distinct episodes, causing rapid sea level rise."
> >>>>>>>>>>>> How can they call this 'science'?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Antarctic is NOT melting AT ALL!
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The average temperatures are well below melting point of water, so
> >>>>>>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is little chance for ice to melt.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Antarctica
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Icebergs are already floating, hence have no influence on the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> sea-levels.

> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Your poor addlepated moron.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> You seem to believe you can maintain one end of an iceblock at 10C
> >>>>>>>>>>> and the other end at -11C and it doesn't melt because its
> >>>>>>>>>>> average temperature is <0.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> And you also seem to believe all ice found floating on the sea is
> >>>>>>>>>>> frozen
> >>>>>>>>>>> sea
> >>>>>>>>>>> water.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sheesh.

> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Regardless of its source, if it is floating on the sea and it melts it
> >>>>>>>>>> has no effect on sea level.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> It does if it wasn't floating in the sea previously, but was sitting up
> >>>>>>>>> on land in a glacier. Sea level went up when it slid in.

> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And its being frozen or melted has no effect on sea level so what is
> >>>>>>>> your point?

> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If when frozen it is on land, like glaciers are, but when melted will
> >>>>>>> flow into the sea, as most of it will, then it does make a difference to
> >>>>>>> the world's sea levels.

> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Probably not, because the water was
> >>>>>> in the sea in the first place, evaporated,
> >>>>>> and fell as snow.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And now other water is evaporating,
> >>>>>> removing water from the sea, it is the
> >>>>>> rain/snow cycle.

> >>>>>
> >>>>> If the snow and ice reservoirs in glaciers and ice floes like those in
> >>>>> Greenland and Antarctica were remaining constant perhaps you would be
> >>>>> right, but there is strong evidence that they are melting at an
> >>>>> unprecedented rate, and those ice reserves collectively hold enough
> >>>>> water in solid form to raise the ocean levels by several meters if they
> >>>>> melt away entirely.

> >>>>
> >>>> I want to know where you're getting your precedents. The deepest cores
> >>>> there only go back to the last interglacial, suggesting that the entire
> >>>> Greenland icecap was lost at that time, which appears to be a
> >>>> "precedent". I don't think that the Antarctic ice cores don't really
> >>>> tell us much about loss rates yet as we are sampling in only a few
> >>>> places and what has been lost doeesn't show up in the cores at all.
> >>>> Perhaps sampling from a wider range of sites will give some insight into
> >>>> rates.
> >>>>
> >>>> Further, get your facts straight. The Greenland icecap would raise sea
> >>>> levels by 7 meters. Antarctica would raise it by about 60 meters. To
> >>>> put this in perspective, the normal sea level difference between an
> >>>> interglacial and a glacial maximum is about 120 meters.

> >>>
> >>> Isn't there about 100 meters of water in the North
> >>> Sea?
> >>>
> >>> Wasn't the North Sea dry land during the last
> >>> glacial maximum?
> >>>
> >>> The math for your interglacial and glacial math
> >>> needs a few more meters.

> >>
> >> If there is 100 meters of water in the North Sea and it was dry land
> >> during the last glacial maximum that would be consistent with 120 meters
> >> of sea level change.
> >>
> >> I'm quoting fairl well accepted numbers, I didn't calculate them.

> >
> >North Sea Rise = 100 meters
> >
> >Greenland icecap = 7 meters
> >
> >Antarctica ice cap = 60 meters
> >
> >Difference between interglacial and glacial maximum =
> >100 + 7 + 60 = 167 meters
> >
> >Lynn

>
> Why are you counting Greenland and
> Antarctica, they haven't melted yet, and
> probably won't.
>
> Sea level has risen 130 meters since
> the last glacial, leaving Greenland and
> Antarctica like they are now.
>
>



I heard that ice melts when it gets warm..


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