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John F. Eldredge

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Re: nasa.gov/scientific-consensus
Posted: Jun 7, 2014 5:39 PM
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On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 11:40:56 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

> On 6/4/2014 8:06 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> In article <lmo5s8$97s$1@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
>>>
>>> On 6/4/2014 6:08 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

>>>> In article <virgil-A7CBEB.22141203062014@BIGNEWS.USENETMONSTER.COM>,
>>>> virgil@ligriv.com says...

>>>>>
>>>>> In article <q91to9pss92tlkpc90m6olig413lg2cesr@4ax.com>,
>>>>> kefischer <joefischer@iglou.com> wrote:
>>>>>

>>>>>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:40:39 -0600, Virgil <virgil@ligriv.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> In article <MPG.2df82c7f3500cb9098a71e@news.newsguy.com>,
>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <jclarkeusenet@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> In article <kPCdnTerU499iBPOnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, ws21
>>>>>>>> @cornel.edu says...

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/31/14, 9:00 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> In article <lmcfth$gqk$1@odin.sdf-eu.org>, kym@kymhorsell.com
>>>>>>>>>> says...

>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 30.05.2014 02:36, schrieb R Kym Horsell:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, sure. 1-2 mm/yr c1900, 2-3 mm/yr c2000 -- It's starting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to compare favourably to the last time the ice sheets
>>>>>>>>>>>>> melted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101201120605.htm 4 Dec
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010 ... Southampton researchers have estimated that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sea-level rose by an average of about 1 metre per century at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the end of the last Ice Age, ...

>>>>>>>>>>>> E.g. this article:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140528133151.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "A new study has found that the Antarctic Ice Sheet began
>>>>>>>>>>>> melting about 5,000 years earlier than previously thought
>>>>>>>>>>>> coming out of the last ice age -- and that shrinkage of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> vast ice sheet accelerated during eight distinct episodes,
>>>>>>>>>>>> causing rapid sea level rise."
>>>>>>>>>>>> How can they call this 'science'?
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Antarctic is NOT melting AT ALL!
>>>>>>>>>>>> The average temperatures are well below melting point of
>>>>>>>>>>>> water, so there is little chance for ice to melt.
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Antarctica Icebergs
>>>>>>>>>>>> are already floating, hence have no influence on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> sea-levels.

>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your poor addlepated moron.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You seem to believe you can maintain one end of an iceblock at
>>>>>>>>>>> 10C and the other end at -11C and it doesn't melt because its
>>>>>>>>>>> average temperature is <0.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And you also seem to believe all ice found floating on the sea
>>>>>>>>>>> is frozen sea water.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheesh.

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regardless of its source, if it is floating on the sea and it
>>>>>>>>>> melts it has no effect on sea level.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> It does if it wasn't floating in the sea previously, but was
>>>>>>>>> sitting up on land in a glacier. Sea level went up when it slid
>>>>>>>>> in.

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And its being frozen or melted has no effect on sea level so what
>>>>>>>> is your point?

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If when frozen it is on land, like glaciers are, but when melted
>>>>>>> will flow into the sea, as most of it will, then it does make a
>>>>>>> difference to the world's sea levels.

>>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably not, because the water was
>>>>>> in the sea in the first place, evaporated,
>>>>>> and fell as snow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And now other water is evaporating,
>>>>>> removing water from the sea, it is the rain/snow cycle.

>>>>>
>>>>> If the snow and ice reservoirs in glaciers and ice floes like those
>>>>> in Greenland and Antarctica were remaining constant perhaps you
>>>>> would be right, but there is strong evidence that they are melting
>>>>> at an unprecedented rate, and those ice reserves collectively hold
>>>>> enough water in solid form to raise the ocean levels by several
>>>>> meters if they melt away entirely.

>>>>
>>>> I want to know where you're getting your precedents. The deepest
>>>> cores there only go back to the last interglacial, suggesting that
>>>> the entire Greenland icecap was lost at that time, which appears to
>>>> be a "precedent". I don't think that the Antarctic ice cores don't
>>>> really tell us much about loss rates yet as we are sampling in only a
>>>> few places and what has been lost doeesn't show up in the cores at
>>>> all. Perhaps sampling from a wider range of sites will give some
>>>> insight into rates.
>>>>
>>>> Further, get your facts straight. The Greenland icecap would raise
>>>> sea levels by 7 meters. Antarctica would raise it by about 60
>>>> meters. To put this in perspective, the normal sea level difference
>>>> between an interglacial and a glacial maximum is about 120 meters.

>>>
>>> Isn't there about 100 meters of water in the North Sea?
>>>
>>> Wasn't the North Sea dry land during the last glacial maximum?
>>>
>>> The math for your interglacial and glacial math needs a few more
>>> meters.

>>
>> If there is 100 meters of water in the North Sea and it was dry land
>> during the last glacial maximum that would be consistent with 120
>> meters of sea level change.
>>
>> I'm quoting fairl well accepted numbers, I didn't calculate them.

>
> North Sea Rise = 100 meters
>
> Greenland icecap = 7 meters
>
> Antarctica ice cap = 60 meters
>
> Difference between interglacial and glacial maximum =
> 100 + 7 + 60 = 167 meters
>
> Lynn


You also have the fact that, at any given time, some land areas are
rising, some are subsiding, and some are staying put. So, a given
location may be higher or lower than it was during the last Ice Age.


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