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Topic: Why do so many of us hate math?
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 kirby urner Posts: 3,690 Registered: 11/29/05
Re: Why do so many of us hate math?
Posted: Jul 4, 2014 11:54 AM
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On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Robert Hansen <bob@rsccore.com> wrote:

<< SNIP >>

> I am not against the use of activities to help students get it. That is
> what the 25% is for. I am against replacing the 75% with those activities
> because the 75% is the material we are trying to get. But many teachers
> don?t get this and they replace the material with activities and those
> students will never get it because they are not even being exposed to what
> it is that they are supposed to get in the first place.
>
> Bob Hansen
>

I think we've agreed though that the 25% is not happening. "Activities"
such as coloring and roaming about in nature collecting pine cones sounds
like watered down 75%, as you suggest, but that doesn't make it part of the
25%.

An appreciation for the role of mathematics in everyday life would require
analysis of institutions: how does a supermarket work; a casino; a bank.

What elementary school math class shows depositors putting the cash through
window A and getting interest rate y%, while the bank loans that same cash
out through window B getting interest rate z% with z% > y%. Lets "do the
math" on the bank's balance sheet.

If that's not high level enough, lets talk about the ships bringing ice
from North American lakes and Norway, to markets in Britain. Factory ice
(swimming pool sized baths of ammonia in which ice slab moldings were
submerged) would come later.

Watch these two STEM videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO4YkEdF1zk (uh oh, costs money, guess the
school needs to pay)
refrigeration works)

ships got around. Lots of exercises / story problems may be developed
around this material, but at least we're (a) talking about institutions and
inventions (b) looking at generalized principles re hot, cold, sphere shape
(c) investigating the evolution of humans in their ecosystem context.

That's more what I mean by the 25%. Gotta have it. If it's all just
exercises, exercises, exercises, then I think the students are just being
abused.

The problem is mathematics is safely apolitical and purged of substantive
STEM content precisely to keep it a "safe subject". No one wants the
hassle of students learning too much, knowing too much, about the so-called
"real world".

The more you're into mathematics, the more you might be a threat to the
powers that be, and the more you're encouraged to leave the "real world" in
favor of this other place called the "Platonic Realm" which you're supposed
to love more and express your loyalties toward.

If you're a stereotypical "mathematician" then the "real world" is
something to distance oneself from and get snobby about and leave to the
low life engineers. These inculcated attitudes I think sicken our
civilization. They trace to a weak 25% -- deliberately weak would be my
contention.

Math pedagogy has everything to do with instilling compliance and a
grin-and-bear-it attitude to assigned work (homework). Math pedagogy is
not about informing students about how the world works, even though those
workings are intensely mathematical. That kind of knowledge is too
dangerous to share widely.

Kirby

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