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Topic: WM's argument disassembled - If you are his student, please PLEASE comment here
Replies: 5   Last Post: Jul 25, 2014 12:21 PM

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 Ki Song Posts: 549 Registered: 9/19/09
Re: WM's argument disassembled - If you are his student, please

Posted: Jul 22, 2014 11:35 AM

On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 11:09:56 AM UTC-4, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
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> But this is not his position. He rejects as meaningless all set
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> sequence limits. Yes, I know you concluded that WM accepts 3* based on
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> other things he's said, but that's a very dangerous thing to do. To
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> paraphrase Lewis Carroll, WM can believe a dozen contradictory things
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> before breakfast. Set limits are (wrongly) thought by him to rely on
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> completed infinity, so any problems that you can demonstrate using a
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> set sequence limit (like the analogy above) will be an argument WM can
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> use to bash them.
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> > So logically speaking, if WM has a problem with cardinality based on
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> > 1*, 2*, 3*, it seems like he should also have a problem with Areas,
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> > Volumes, and other concepts as well.
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> > Unless... your point is that WM wouldn't be troubled because [n by
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> > 1/n] re does not approach "an actual" line?
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> Yes, because it would be an actual unbounded line, so it might approach
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> it but it never becomes it. He might have a model of limits that allow
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> the limit to be a real thing "attained", provided it is not unbounded in
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> some way, but even that is in doubt. He might, for example, accept that
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> the sequence of squares with sides 1-1/n *is* the unit square "in the
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> limit", or he might not.
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> Ages ago I had an exchange with him about whether 1/3 = 0.333... =
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> sum{n->oo}[3*10^-n]. It was not clear whether the equality sign meant,
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> to him, what it means to you and me. WM may, in fact, be a classical
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> 0.999... = 1 denialist, except for the fact that his book states the
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> above equality for 1/3, so he needs to work in a defence of that at the
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> same time that he denies it. That's where the magic preface of the book
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> comes in. It means he can claim that he does not really accept as true
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> anything in the book that he subsequently would like to repudiate.
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> Do you know the phrase "trying to nail a jelly to the wall"?
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> --
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> Ben.

In my country, we have the phrase is "cutting water with a kitchen knife," though it's more in the context of a loving couple who is in dispute.

The point is different, but it expresses the same sentiment of futility.

Date Subject Author
7/22/14 Ben Bacarisse
7/22/14 Ki Song
7/25/14 Scott Berg
7/23/14 mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
7/23/14 Virgil