Date: Feb 5, 2012 4:26 AM
Subject: Re: proof that the mastodons drowned Re: we can rule out the Earthquake-quicksand
On Feb 4, 5:33 am, Archimedes Plutonium
> A hot bathe always seems to do wonders for me.
> I was wondering if I could prove the Mastodons of Snowmass Colorado
> had died by
> breaking the lake ice and drowning versus the hypothesis of earthquake-
> I come to realize that a bodies final resting position would be
> different for a drowning
> compared to a quicksand stuck in place.
> If a mastodon drowns, the body will fall to the lake bottom and the
> chances would be that
> the foot and legs would stick upwards with the body lying on its back
> or the body would be sideways.
> If the mastodon had died in stuck quicksand the foot and legs would be
> on the bottom, and the rest of the skeleton on top, but the feet would
> be as if they were still standing.
> If my memory is correct from the TV pictures, the fossils were of the
> bodies lying with the legs and feet, at least two feet pointing up.
> So the lying position of those fossil mastodons can distinguish
> whether they died by drowning or by earthquake quicksand, and from the
> pictures, it appears they died by drowning.
> As for the human cached mastodon, if I remember correctly, half the
> skeleton was missing
> and a bone had notches in it. I suspect this mastodon died by falling
> in the ice and drowning and then a predator came along and pulled 1/2
> of the body out on the ice and ate it and the other half slipped back
> into the water and sunk. I remember seeing a NATURE show where bears
> usually come along on the ice and pull out those carcasses of drowned
> herbivores from a ice lake or ice river. and the notches could have
> easily been teeth marks by a bear.
> Now it looks as though that explanation is the easiest and most
> convincing. So one has to wonder what is going on with NOVA that they
> insult the world audience with science that is
> half thought through? Is it that the scientists involved would know
> that a story of mastodon falling through the ice would be not much of
> a story and not be put on NOVA, so instead, a
> silly theory of earthquake-quicksand would grab attention and
> publicity? And the story of human
> cache with notches. I would ask the question of whether those notches
> were really there in the first place or whether someone was pulling a
> prank and carved the notches while others were not looking? I say that
> because, it is so simple to see a breaking of the ice drowning yet a
> earthquake-quicksand is dreamed up, so that it looks as though the on
> site scientists are
> not looking for real answers but rather looking to exaggerate a story
> that does not need titillation. So, maybe, perhaps on Thursday while
> eating my dinner and thinking I was watching
> another drab fossil find in Colorado, well, that was the truth after
> Am I the only one to notice the poorer and poorer quality of NOVA
> shows? What we need is a return of the Mechanical Universe type series
> out of Caltech. Seems as though NOVA has become some ad pitch box for
> crank and crackpot ideas that are just plain nonscience like Brian
> Greene's Fabric of the Cosmos. It used to be where you seldom found a
> mistake in a NOVA science show. Nowadays, entire episodes are
> nonscience or fake science.
> The mastodon dig is mostly science except for the silly theory
> offered. So that if the theory had been excised, the rest would have
> been good science. So a future episode of the mastodon dig, would
> prove that they died by breaking through the ice on the lake and
> drowning. It would be like a CSI mystery solved.
Well there is hardly any proofs in science of geology, and I maybe
wrong on the skeleton
position if drowned or caught in quicksand. I would have to see
profiles of skeletons in the tar
pits found. But I think there is another loophole in the Earthquake-
quicksand Hypothesis in that once the earthquake is gone, it remains
to be seen whether that sand recovered the water and enabled the
mastodons to quickly release themselves since the sand becomes more
firm in short time.
I really think those geologists who offered that hypothesis need to
check it out in a physics laboratory, for I doubt any earthquake is
sufficient to shake the water out of the sand to the extent and scale
of that model they used. But even so, I suspect the sand would recover
quick time to become firm enough for the mastodons to free themselves.
I was wondering if an animal is killed by drowning in cold water after
falling through the ice, whether that death would leave some
indications on the skeletal bones. I suppose the fish and
other creatures at the lake bottom would feed on the dead carcass,
leaving the bones, but would those bones show some sign of that
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies