Date: Feb 23, 2012 5:19 AM
Author: oriel36
Subject: Re: Dingle and the Twins' Paradox (Tom and Paul Andersen are wrong)

On Feb 23, 6:00 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/22/12 10:48 PM, oriel36 wrote:
>
> > The orbital (heliacal) setting and rising of Sirius is so well
> > attested,in other words is disappears from view as our orbit puts it
> > behind the glare of the Sun that no person calling themselves an
> > astronomer could imagine the star in stellar circumpolar motion.
>
>    Gerald, here are the Rise, Transit and Set time for Sirius from
>    Aug. 6-12 from Edinburgh, Scotland. Any school kid with a modest
>    backyard telescope can *easily see* Sirius independent of the
>    sun being overhead. How did you get to be astronomically illiterate?
>

What distinguishes you from all astronomers,and even in antiquity they
made the distinction,is that they set aside the idea of 'overhead' or
'above' when dealing with conceptual matters as 'below' has no real
meaning and this is why you appear as homocentrists as you presently
lack the feel for anything outside your rotating celestial sphere or
the Ra/Dec culture. This from Plutarch -

"But yet, it is proved unreasonable, and repugnant to facts, to
suppose the ?above? of the world to be a whole, but the ?below? an
incorporeal and indefinite limit: whereas that course is consistent
with reason, to say, as we do, that the space is large and possessed
of width, and is defined by the ?above? and the ?below? of locality."
Plutarch

http://thriceholy.net/Texts/Moon.html

We have many American patriots here in this forum,they should have no
problem standing before their students and explaining that as the
Earth travels in a circle around the central Sun,the background stars
closest to the plane of the Earth's motion disappear behind the Sun
for a period and Sirius just happens to coincide close to Independence
day,the information here being that putting Sirius in stellar
circumpolar motion as you are doing with rise/set times,obscures a
rich astronomical history,everything from planetary dynamics to
timekeeping.

Without the slightest fear of objection you try to diminish the great
astronomical heritages which you yourselves can't use and even though
there is a great satisfaction in knowing that when Sirius re-appears
at the orbital point in August as the Earth swings around and brings
the star out of the glare of the Sun,we will move in its direction and
then 10 months later watch as the Earth's orbital motion at the light
of the central Sun envelops the star once more.

Any star crosses a person's meridian 1461 times in 1461 days and the
Egyptians used the orbital emergence of Sirius from behind the Sun as
a gauge for the balance between days and years,or in modern
terms,rotations and orbital circuits -

http://www.lavia.org/english/archivo/EgyptianCalendarEN.html

I see that wishful thinking junk of relativity and a star at an
eclipse in 1919 but the real astronomical value is acquiring a feel
for the appearance of Sirius in terms of the orbital motion of the
Earth.I have yet to see this happen where a person can escape the
rotating celestial sphere of Ra/Dec and look out at the stars with a
different perspective and certainly Sirius provides a good incentive.