Date: Oct 3, 2012 3:21 AM
Author: Greg Goodknight
Subject: Re: US teachers are overworked and underpaid

On 10/02/2012 04:09 PM, Paul Tanner wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Greg Goodknight <> wrote:
>> There is that pesky Federal Dept of Ed study released a decade ago that
>> found that, after receiving a baccalaureate, the lower the incoming SAT
>> score entering college, the higher the probability they are teaching K-12
>> ten years after graduation.
>> Winnow out the lower 1/3 of the SAT performers (give some leeway and
>> alternate assessments for music, art and PE majors) from the teacher and
>> administration corps and see what happens.

> For teaching hours, time spent in front of the students under the
> normal contracted hours, it's only about 620 hours per year in France,
> about 600 and 600 for Japan and Finland, and about 550 for Korea. For
> the US it's about 1100.
> Do the math.

You can't fix stupid, Paul. The lower the SAT of the freshman, the
higher the probability they're teaching ten years after graduation.
There's just no way to sugarcoat that. While it might do less damage to
children were they to spend less time "teaching" what they don't know,
it would do even less damage to have them not teach at all.

The Japanese hours are also cooked, since so many of the public school
teachers moonlight at the juku, where the college bound kids go to learn
what the public schools aren't teaching but the entrance exams expect to

If you want US teachers to be treated more like professionals, get more
teachers into the classrooms that deserve to be treated like
professionals, and ease the others out the door. It's that easy.

- -Greg

> For US teachers it's 6 hours per day 5 days per week,
> meaning 30 hours per week 36 weeks or for 180 days for a total of 1080
> hours per year.
> It's essentially half that for these countries above.
> Get a public school teaching job to see what's it's like to be a
> sardine stuffed in a can in terms of time during contracted hours for
> anything other than being in front of a class.
> Lunch time is when you can collaborate with other teachers or plan or
> whatever, as they have vastly more time in these countries to do?
> Forget it! You have only a half hour after the bell rings to RUSH to
> the place where you eat, WOLF down your food as fast as you can, and
> then RUSH back to your classroom to get there before the bell rings
> for the next class you have to teach.
> Do all this to those teachers in high-scoring countries like Japan,
> Korea, Finland, and France and watch the international scores of their
> students collapse.