Date: Oct 3, 2012 10:59 AM
Author: Paul A. Tanner III
Subject: Re: US teachers are overworked and underpaid
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Greg Goodknight <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> On 10/02/2012 04:09 PM, Paul Tanner wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Greg Goodknight <email@example.com> wrote:
>>> There is that pesky Federal Dept of Ed study released a decade ago that
>>> found that, after receiving a baccalaureate, the lower the incoming SAT
>>> score entering college, the higher the probability they are teaching K-12
>>> ten years after graduation.
>>> Winnow out the lower 1/3 of the SAT performers (give some leeway and
>>> alternate assessments for music, art and PE majors) from the teacher and
>>> administration corps and see what happens.
>> For teaching hours, time spent in front of the students under the
>> normal contracted hours, it's only about 620 hours per year in France,
>> about 600 and 600 for Japan and Finland, and about 550 for Korea. For
>> the US it's about 1100.
>> Do the math.
> You can't fix stupid, Paul.
That's right, and stupid it is to overwork teachers with respect to teaching loads, period.
And it's really stupid to overwork teachers as something they deserve for "being stupid" when it could actually be the case that the students are hurt even more by overworking "stupid" teachers compared to overworking "non-stupid" teachers.
> While it might do less damage to children were they
> to spend less time "teaching"
Well, there it is. You agree that it's stupid to overwork teachers.
> The Japanese hours are also cooked, since so many of the public school
> teachers moonlight at the juku
These are private schools that have nothing to do with how many tax dollars public school teachers are paid and have nothing to do with what government contracts are with respect to working conditions for government employees. Again: It's 146% of per capita PPP GDP for Japan, 96% of per capita PPP GDP for the US, all while the US teachers are worked twice as hard as the Japanese teachers with respect to teaching work loads.
And this is not just about comparing the US to Japan - it's about comparing the US to the entire OECD. Again: 50% higher teaching load than the OECD average, and roughly twice as high as those countries that score highest on international tests, Japan, Finland (and France if you wish to include them).
> If you want US teachers to be treated more like professionals, get more
> teachers into the classrooms that deserve to be treated like professionals,
> and ease the others out the door. It's that easy.
Again: And it's really stupid to overwork teachers as something they deserve for "being stupid" when it could actually be the case that the students are hurt even more by overworking "stupid" teachers compared to overworking "non-stupid" teachers.