Date: Oct 9, 2012 5:19 AM
Author: GS Chandy
Subject: Re: An Algebra 2 Test

Haim posted Oct 9, 2012 8:19 AM (GSC's remarks follow):
> Peter Duveen Posted: Oct 8, 2012 2:39 PM

> >Well, Robert, the riff raff who are not going to be
> >engineers or scientists really don't count, when it
> >comes to "national security" [securing the nation

> for
> >the benefit of the few at the expense of the many].
> I
> >would like to call attention to a recent report by
> the
> >Council on Foreign Relations,
> ational-security/p27618.

> >Education is now a national security issue, so some
> >people will just have to become

> engineers/scientists,
> >whether they like it or not.
> Peter,
> It is not often I see a note like yours. There
> ere are plenty of notes I agree with, plenty of notes
> I disagree with, but not often do I see a note that I
> do not understand at all.
> Do you really think of non-engineers and
> and non-scientists ("NENS") as riff raff? Or are you
> suggesting someone else does? If so, who? I have
> never heard anyone call NENS riff raff.
> And what do you mean by "national security" (your
> our scare quotes)? I have heard of a political
> economy organized for the benefit of the few at the
> expense of the many (eg, the nomenklatura that exists
> in every socialist regime, a class of people so elite
> they even have their own hospitals), but what does
> that mean in the context of "national security"?
> Finally, you seem unhappy about the Council on
> on Foreign Relation's reason for wanting an effective
> education system. The CFR want a good school system
> for reasons of national security (as that concept is
> commonly understood). Perhaps you prefer a good
> school system for economic reasons? (So that people
> can be productive, and thereby benefit themselves and
> their neighbors.) Do you have your own reasons for
> desiring an effective school system? Or do you feel
> an effective school system is a threat to the social
> system you desire?
> Some years ago, the mother of one of my son's
> n's little league team mates, a lawyer (I live in The
> People's Republic of Brooklyn), plainly stated to me
> her view that the math and science curriculum was a
> conspiracy by George Bush and the Republican Party to
> nurture scientists and engineers for their missile
> programs and to serve other military-industrial
> purposes.
> Is this your view, Peter? Or perhaps you agree
> ree with Paul that the American school system is
> already the best in the world, so the CFR must be up
> to no good by asserting that American schools have
> collapsed?
> Haim
> No representation without taxation.

In order to make things abundantly clear, Peter Duveen might like to consider the simple device of 'turning SARCASM ON (or OFF, as the case may be)' - see instance below.

I observe that Haim has himself used this device in the recent past.

("Still Shoveling Away!" - [Sarcasm ON] with apologies if due to Barry Garelick for any tedium caused; [Sarcasm OFF] - I observe that tedium is easily avoided by the simple expedient of ignoring any message purported to originate from GSC)