Date: Oct 13, 2012 6:24 PM Author: Robert Hansen Subject: Re: US teachers are overworked and underpaid Primary school Paul. She has the same students all day. She teaches them less than 5 hours. For goodness sake, are your telling me I don't know what time I drop my son off at school and pick him up? Except for activity, recess and lunch, he is in that classroom the whole school day. His stuff is in his desk, including papers he was supposed to bring home. I saw them.

5 hours is still 900 hours, only 100 or so shy of the article you posted. I don't understand your beef.

Regarding secondary school, which I have as yet verified, what would bother me more than teaching algebra 5 times a day is teaching a mix of algebra and remedial maths 5 times a day. But I would do what I had to do I guess. My job is no walk in the park either, and it is year round. The only way you are going to get less teaching hours is for the U.S. to reduce the school day as some of these other countries have done. I suspect if that were to happen then they would also reduce your salary.

Bob Hansen

On Oct 13, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Paul Tanner <upprho@gmail.com> wrote:

> A total of only 20 students in all that teacher's classes added together?

>

> If that teacher teaches many different one-hour classes per day,

> different students in each class, 20 students per class, then do the

> math - it's more than 20.

>

> The only way a total of 20 is mathematically possible is if that

> teacher had the exact same 20 kids in all the classes he/she taught

> each and every day. He/she teaches many different classes to the exact

> same set of kids each and every day, meaning she teaches all her

> students all the different subjects? All the teachers in that school

> do that? They don't have those who are stronger in math and science

> teach that, have those who are stronger in language arts and such

> teach that, and so on?

>

> Is that what is going on? I know that some places try this idea of one

> teacher teaching all subjects to the same set of students, being tried

> in some places, but it is out of the ordinary - it is not the usual

> way of doing things, even for elementary school. It is never or almost

> never done in secondary schools.

>

> Some charter schools or other special schools do this. Is your son's

> school a charter school?

>

> If this one-teacher-teaching-all-subjects way of doing things is true,

> then just this by itself definitively proves that your inferences from

> your school are false - just as I in

> http://mathforum.org/kb/message.jspa?messageID=7905353

> said, these and other inferences being to the working hours and their

> distribution of the average US teacher, primary and especially

> secondary, and the average teacher in these other countries we talked

> about, since your school would be not in the norm.

>

> One would think that those of you who preach that there should be

> teachers (even at the elementary school level) who know really well

> the subject they teach would not be in favor of having one teacher

> teach all subjects.

>

> But if your son's teacher is in the usual teaching context, having

> many different classes each with different students, then why did you

> reply the way you did? I have *repeatedly* throughout this thread been

> talking about the total number of students from all classes that a

> teacher has. (And even without me saying that, talking about 60 or 120

> different students clearly means the total from all classes.)

>

> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Robert Hansen <bob@rsccore.com> wrote:

>> My son's teacher deals with 20.

>>

>> Bob Hansen

>>

>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Paul Tanner <upprho@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> If you

>>> have to deal with 120 students and I have to deal with 60,