Date: Oct 17, 2012 10:49 PM Author: Bob Subject: RE: Calculator Use

So we ban the calculator part of the time, but which part. It seems the final test guidelines will determine that.

From: owner-nysmsmath@mathforum.org [mailto:owner-nysmsmath@mathforum.org] On Behalf Of Iva Jean Tennant

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:06 PM

To: nysmsmath@mathforum.org

Subject: Re: Calculator Use

surely I did not say that--there are many problems when we would use the calculator and there are times when we should not use it

even PARCC and Smarter Balance agree on that

I think anyone would be crazy to ban a calculator from their classroom but I do believe there are many times when students should not grab a calculator as they need to be able to do some things in their head

Iva Jean Tennant

President of Association of Mathematics Teachers of NYS

Past President of AMTST

People to People Student Ambassador Delegation Leader

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From: Bob <bobderek@earthlink.net>

To: nysmsmath <nysmsmath@mathforum.org>

Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:02 pm

Subject: RE: Calculator Use

It?s an uncertain time; however, it may not be the best choice to just ban calculators.

Bob

From: owner-nysmsmath@mathforum.org [mailto:owner-nysmsmath@mathforum.org <mailto:owner-nysmsmath@mathforum.org?> ] On Behalf Of Iva Jean Tennant

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:53 PM

To: nysmsmath@mathforum.org

Subject: Re: Calculator Use

I would agree that most things so far this year have NOT made sense! :) We just all need to stick together this year and be there for each other!

Iva Jean Tennant

President of Association of Mathematics Teachers of NYS

Past President of AMTST

People to People Student Ambassador Delegation Leader

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From: Liz Waite <elizwaite@aol.com>

To: nysmsmath <nysmsmath@mathforum.org>

Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 9:49 pm

Subject: Re: Calculator Use

Interesting question you pose below Cindy....

We would assume that things will make sense, but will they?

Tell me...has anything made sense for anyone this year yet?:)

Liz

Elizabeth Waite

AMTNYS Vice-President

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From: Cindy Nguyen <Cindy.Nguyen@spackenkillschools.org>

To: nysmsmath <nysmsmath@mathforum.org>

Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 9:05 pm

Subject: RE: Calculator Use

I am so happy to see this discussion! I am also not sure how to handle the calculator situation.

I was puzzled at Sample Question #8, the elaborate fraction simplification problem, in light of the fact that the students will have a scientific calculator. You are right, Iva Jean, that it doesn't make sense to show all that calculation they did below, when the students could put it in a calculator that does fractions. We would assume that things will make sense, but will they?

I teach two sections of 7th grade math, both inclusion, with most of my students in the 1 and 2 range. I'm afraid that simplifying expressions such as #8, with the mixed signs, three different denominators, etc., will be daunting for them. So, my reaction, when I read on the NYS website that calculators would be allowed for the entire state math test next spring, has been to review fraction operations with them and then move on to becoming proficient using the calculator.

Back in June, I responded with feedback to several of the 7th grade sample questions. I included example problems in each case which were similar, but not as complicated as the provided samples. I haven't heard anything back yet.

So far this year, I've seen only drafts of sample test questions and drafts of the pre- and post-test document for the April 24-26, 2013, test? Have I missed anything on the website?

Cindy Bullis Nguyen

Orville A. Todd Middle School

Poughkeepsie, NY 12603

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From: owner-nysmsmath@mathforum.org [owner-nysmsmath@mathforum.org] on behalf of Iva Jean Tennant [tennantij@aol.com]

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:21 PM

To: nysmsmath@mathforum.org

Subject: Re: Calculator Use

It will be a struggle but it would not make sense for them to give us those standards and then turn around and say, "Hey, you can just use a calculator!"

I am waiting more from the state before I turn them loose with calculators. If you look at assessment samples from Smarter Balance and PARCC, they have some problems that specifically say: use calculator and others that say no to calculator usage--so I say we have to have balance and they are going to have to be able to do fraction and decimal operations without calculators and it is not going to be very pretty! --oh, that is why we get the big bucks!

and in case you think I have high level classes--I have way over 50% of my students failing the previous year test and my first period has 100% failing with 1;s and low 2's--will be an interesting year, to say the least!

Iva Jean Tennant

President of Association of Mathematics Teachers of NYS

Past President of AMTST

People to People Student Ambassador Delegation Leader

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From: Lauren Mondrone <lauren.mondrone@gmail.com>

To: nysmsmath <nysmsmath@mathforum.org>

Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:09 am

Subject: Calculator Use

Hi all,

I know that scientific calculators with fractional capabilities are allowed to

be used on the seventh grade assessment this year, both parts. However, for

operations on rational numbers, I did not permit my students to use calculators

as then the questions could simply be answered by pressing buttons. The results

were not great. I am wondering how you all are approaching calculator use for

regular ed students as well as IEP students for the number sense strand as well

as for other standards. My students don't seem to be rising to the challenge of

rational numbers as well as they did integers last year.

Any feedback would be appreciated!

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