Date: Nov 18, 2012 1:31 PM
Author: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Subject: Re: OT: Stephen Fry does something no human has ever done before

In sci.physics RedAcer <redRed@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On 18/11/12 06:17, bjacoby@teranews.com wrote:
>> On 11/17/2012 1:54 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>> Stephen Fry does something no human has ever done before
>>>> http://www.sciencedump.com/content/steven-fry-does-something-no-human-being-has-ever-done
>>>>
>>>>

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> 80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000
>>>
>>
>> TOTAL BULLSHIT! Stephen Fry is a moron.
>>
>> Sam Wormley is a moron for being impressed with this nonsense.
>>
>> And Science Dump is a moronic and anti-science show dedicated to the
>> destruction of science education.
>>
>> His claim is complete and utter nonsense, even if a shuffle were
>> perfect (which this certainly was not). This is what happens when
>> people begin to imagine that mathematics is more real than reality.
>>
>> Here it is in a nutshell for those still actually interested in
>> science as science and not politics: Even if something has an
>> extremely low probability of occurring, that does NOT mean it cannot
>> occur! It does not mean that the first two shuffles might not be the
>> same. This shameful exhibit shows where modern thought has sunk.
>> Idiot statements based upon mathematical suppositions that aren't
>> even true. The extension of to religious levels with no science to
>> back it up.
>>
>> Hence the statement that a deck of cards has NEVER been in this
>> order before, is the WORST kind of unthinking anti-science. They
>> might as well be asserting for children that the Earth is totally
>> flat. Shameful exhibit.
>>
>> Even more pitiful is Sam's gullibility and lack of science education
>> that allows him to be impressed with such blatant nonsense.
>>

> 52!=80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000
>
> This is a very big number. How long have we had the modern pack? How
> many shuffles have been made?


The current 52 card deck goes back to at least the 18th Century.

A couple of shuffles by a human is nowhere near randomization in the
mathematical sense and not even the mechanical shufflers used in casinos
are close to mathematical randomization.