Date: Nov 27, 2012 7:45 PM
Author: Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway
Subject: Re: Stephen Fry does something no human has ever done before

"Mahipal"  wrote in message

On Nov 26, 2:53 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
<> wrote:
> "Mahipal" wrote in message
> On Nov 24, 3:52 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"


> Ok. 40 +/- 70 is approximate enough to deal with. Btw, I lost my
> Sister to cancer a few years back, I am now older than her age at
> passing. It was very difficult, and still is, especially on our
> Parents. Having lost a child is a very painful experience. Be strong
> and find comfort somehow.
> Do ignore all the trolls and evil mongers that are immune from the
> joys and sorrows of being Human.
> ==============================================
> I lost my sister to suicide when she was 47. She was never very bright
> and we were never close. Unfortunately I had to insist my nephew went
> to his father when her marriage failed, for the child's benefit. She
> was not really a fit mother.
> My daughter was the complete opposite, loved by all and the life and
> soul of the party, always a smile on her face. Working for a travel
> agency,
> she went to more places than I did. Even Mickey Mouse came to see her
> at work!

It's good you keep them both in your memories.
Is it?
Sometimes I just want to forget, pretend it never happened. Losing
my daughter changed my relationship with my grandchildren. Where
before I took my grandson to see Cutty Sark (before the fire) which
he thought of as a "pirate ship", his loss of a mother caused him to
cling to his father, a nice enough guy but a football freak and a simpleton
my daughter had control of. Now the lad has the same bias and his
broader education is lacking as I am ignored.

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference. -- Reinhold Niebuhr

Well, fuck any gods, but I'll take the rest of that prayer. If there were
any god I'd kick the impotent bastard (or vicious cunt) in the balls for
what he did to my family.

Enough of that. Fuck the vicious psychopathic faggot Dork Van de moortel
too, and I've said my piece. I accept what I can't change.

> Your posting this quote earlier today was is very inspiring:
> "And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is
> unfolding as
> it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him
> to be,
> and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of
> life
> keep peace with your soul. With all its shams, drudgery, and broken
> dreams,
> it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy." --
> Max Ehrmann


> > <'sStar.GIF>
> > Two beams are brighter than one if they arrive together.
> > It was Henry Wilson who first noted that delta T differed from delta t
> > to
> > yield an apparent time dilation and compression.
> > So... no cataclysm. No Einstein relativity nonsense either.

> Interesting graph where DT/dt < 0 in certain regions. Can you please
> put values on the parsecs and the time axes, if needed.
> =====================================================
> Nope. Newton's three laws don't have values, they are a principle.
> The time could be microseconds or millennia, the distance can be
> millimetres or Mega-light-years. It is likely but by no means certain
> that V 1493 Aql will repeat its phenomenon every 200 years, about
> the same period as Pluto orbits the Sun. We didn't have enough
> observers or telescopes 200 years ago to have seen it before.
> Much closer to home is Algol, that has a period of 70 hours.

If V1493Aql is going to display this brightness curve periodically,
then you should compute this curve for Algol and include it on your
A triangle has three sides. If the ratio of the sides is the same then any
two triangles with that ratio have the same shape and are called "similar".
It doesn't matter whether the sides are 3 miles, 4 miles and 5 miles or 3
cm, 4 cm and 5 cm, they have the same shape, the same right angle.

Similar light curves have the same ratio of distance, period and orbital
attitude. If I knew the distance and the orbital attitude I could compute
the period, but I don't.
Henrietta Swan Leavitt worked with approximately similar light curves that
had approximately similar periods. From that she obtained approximate
distances. Cepheids are now thought of as "standard candles" to find
approximate distances.

This phenomena must be independent of any supernova activity.
Recurrent novae are not supernovae. The Crab really is an exploding star, a
It is my opinion that SN 1987A is a collision of two stars.

I say this because they have very different spatial distributions of debris.
A sudden brightening of light can have many causes.

> Why do you conclude that this is a elliptical orbit binary system?
> Isn't this the kind of detail Astronomers determine before the Farmers
> keep insisting the rocks really fell out of the sky -- all the while
> getting mocked by the Astronomers?
> =======================================================
> A star with a planet is not called a binary system and I didn't.
> However, all planets have elliptical orbits. The Moon has an elliptical
> orbit. The Earth has an elliptical orbit about the barycentre it shares
> with the Moon. That barycentre is a 1000 miles beneath our feet.
> If the mathematics of elliptical orbits were not known no probe would
> ever reach Mars.

Ok, a supernova star with a planet, rather than a binary stellar
system. Actually my knowledge of planetary orbital dynamics is quite
good. Was the V1493Aql planet's orbit already known, pre the double
peaked brightness curve? Or, did you use the twice peaked light curve
to estimate the planet's orbit?
Again, a star with a planet, not a supernova with a planet.
No planetary orbits are known, and certainly not for distant stars.
V 1493 Aql has a magnitude of 16, which is incredibly faint. Any
magnitude beyond about 6 is not visible to the naked eye.
A telescope is essential.

> > Am familiar with this fable.
> > ================================================
> > The world was flooded when the Northern Ice Cap melted, so Noah built a
> > farm on a boat to save the animals. Such is the nature of fables.
> > Are you familiar with this 2100 year old technology?
> >
> > The extremely poor mathematics of the Holy Roman Empire, still extant
> > throughout the world and especially so in the USA, has lost us much from
> > the Greeks, the Persians, the Indians, the Arabs.

> That's a fascinating mechanical device, amazing the Antikythera is
> 2100 years old. Not that age matters much. But wow! I recall I first
> saw it demonstrated, after replication, on a great TV series names
> "What The Ancients Knew" and wondering how come so few shows this
> amazingly good and insightful?!
> The resultant extremely poor mathematics is a simple consequence of
> the reality that a Plagiarist is never -- along any direction along
> the time axis -- as thoughtful, insightful, inspired, and talented as
> the Original Thinker.
> ==================================================
> You miss my very simple point.
> It is very difficult to teach an adult, let alone a child, that
> MXXIV divided by DXII equals II, 1024/512 = 2 is much easier.
> One before five is IV, one before ten is IX, not VIIII. Order is
> is important, IV is four and VI is six. What then is IVX?
> Four before ten perhaps?

I thought you meant the Romans imitated from the Greeks without fully
grasping the mathematics.

Am very familiar with the limitations of Roman Numerals. Yet, there
had to be some science type Romans wondering, how big a tax an
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...MMMMM might represent. Of course, it seems in
retrospect, he wouldn't have tried multiplying it with 0.

In my opinion the loss was more a result of conquest than failing to grasp
the mathematics. A device such as the Antikythera mechanism, sunk by
a Roman trireme, why would a Greek give away such a wonderful device to an
enemy who wasn't listening anyway?
Navigation by the stars and planets, that's a trade secret and a commercial
advantage. One does not teach his enemy mathematics when his town has been
raped and pillaged, even assuming he's still alive to do so.

> Mathematics means learning and applying simple and consistent
> rules and the rules of Roman arithmetic are far from simple.
> There were no Roman mathematicians, they were handicapped
> from birth by bad notation. They has no symbol for zero, that was
> an Indian idea and India was beyond the reach of the Roman Empire.
> Greece wasn't, and Greek mathematics died out as a result. Only
> Greek geometry survived.
> Using letters for actual numbers was a BIG mistake, it blocks out
> algebra where x can be any value, not just ten.

Interesting assessment.


> > =============================================
> > Heck, my Jazzy is faster than walking, all I want is for all pubs not to
> > have steps as it limits my choice.
> >
> > Trouble is some of them are 900 years old.
> >

> In the USA we have nothing old, so I love traveling to Europe and
> India. What could be more charming than having a scotch at a 900 years
> old pub?!
> ========================================================
> Indians of the American variety had a Palaeolithic culture, stone tools
> and weapons but no megaliths. Europeans had megaliths 3000 years ago
> and are still savages today.

Thanks for the warning, I shall beware the savages in Europe.
They surround you in Maryland. Look at that face on a $20 bill. He killed
< >
It's a European face, glorified on paper. Beware the savages in America.


> Nobody took and held on to your, or mine, passport. Yet the act
> happens daily to other less fortunate working class people in the
> international realm.
> =================================================
> But legally. Uncle Sam takes your taxes and hold on to it, it should be
> illegal for anyone to steal your money. Yet the act happens daily to
> fortunate business class people in the national realm.
> Hey, let's make taxes voluntary like pledges to PBS. Those that want
> an army to defend everyone should pay for it, those that don't shouldn't
> listen to classical music on the radio. I'm all for this what's legal
> what's illegal argument, we can pay lawyers instead of taxes and if
> that doesn't work the way I want it to, shoot each other.

Let's presume legally, for the sake of faking having faith in fellow
As long as you are only faking I'll go along with it. The devil has an

> > Freedom and rights have very different meanings.
> > Yankees often mistake them, they think they have the right to privacy
> > but they have a Bill of Rights and it's not in there so they don't.
> > Hence
> > technology that lets security guards see through clothes at airports in
> > infra-red or x-ray, but nobody is forced to board a plane.

> I suffer the humiliation inflicted upon travelers because how else to
> get to London in 5 hours flying, plus 8 hours being strip searched,
> than by the engineering feat -- no thank you very much you Liberal
> Arts Physicists -- known as the aeroplane. Looking Indian as I do, no
> feigning required, doesn't provide me any added leniency when forced
> to pass through Customs, the Earth over. Shaving, somehow, always
> seems to convey a sense of more innocent than had I my five o'clock
> shadow.
> [trim]
> =============================================================
> Two ways to defeat that. One is get a rowing boat, sneak out and in
> again at night, no passport needed. Illegal immigrants try to get into
> Britain on the cross channel ferry to Dover, what they should do is go
> through Ireland or Wales or Scotland, not England.
> It may take more than 5 hours for the crossing.
> The other is get filthy rich and go by your own private plane. Money talks
> and bullshit walks.

Though the rowing would be good exercise for my health, I will not try
that route. A yacht, with full stocked bar, might work. I am working
on making a lot of that filthy rich kind of money. Even then, my
passport is going to be mandatory papers required for traveling. It's
also very likely the rich are hassled plenty and foremost by Customs.
They need to either confiscate that or tax that. The poor have
nothing, hence carry nothing, and use the fast green lane through
Quite so, the poor dangle the expensive camera they purchased abroad and
paid no duty on, hidden in plain sight as they dutifully pay up a few coins
(shrapnel) on the bottle of wine they declared. Of course, *I* would never
do such a thing, God save the Queen from rogues. I ALWAYS declare something
and pay up. The Customs and Excise people look at me like I'm an idiot but
they never hassle, Gawd bless 'em. Go through the slow red lane, fool, it's
faster and friendlier if you pay SOMETHING and the jerk there is always a
trainee not trusted to spot the green lane travellers trying to sneak in
without paying.

Thanks hanson for the summary and advice. Just amazing you followed
the details, and got the attributions right.
Cha-cha-hanson is lurking, huh? He's pure as the driven snow and
dances upon it when he's not licking Kinky Wobbly's aetherial arse.

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