Date: Dec 17, 2012 12:37 PM
Author: Gary Tupper
Subject: Re: Would effective gun control laws be 'unacceptable social engineering'?

Lou:  Changing 'human nature', whatever that may be, is not necessary - 
but changing human behaviour is the objective. & it seems doable - over
time & with much determination. I think of smoking which has been
greatly reduced over the last 20 yrs. Also - capital punishment - over
the last 50-100 years most civilized nations have given it up. Slavery -
over the last few 100 years virtually eliminated in the whole world.

Gary Tupper

Although the politicians & much of the populace are in the NRA's
pocket, I would surmise that if the Madison Ave folk were to get on
board then over a number of years the American love affair with guns &
the "be afraid, be very afraid" mantras would gradually diminish.

On 12/16/2012 12:27 PM, Louis Talman wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:42:15 -0700, GS Chandy <>
> wrote:

>> [Why not work towards creating a world that is generally law-abiding
>> instead of generally lawless, which seems to be the case today. Ah
>> yes, would that be considered to be 'social engineering' by some?]

> Aspiring to such a world is admirable.
> Working toward such a world might even be thought saintly.
> Believing that such a world can come to be is, quite simply, naiveté.
> No schema for society that is based upon a change in human nature can
> ever be successful.
> - --Lou Talman
> Department of Mathematical & Computer Sciences
> Metropolitan State University of Denver
> <>