Date: Feb 5, 2013 3:07 AM
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Subject: Re: Which naturals better?

On Feb 5, 12:04 am, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
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>  JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On 4 Feb, 11:02, Frederick Williams <freddywilli...@btinternet.com>
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> > > > Building new natural numbers without zero using NyaN, in any base,
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> > > You seem to confuse numbers and digits.  Both of these are true:
> > > There is a number zero.
> > > Numbers can be symbolized without the digit zero.

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> > > When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by
> > > this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.
> > > Jonathan Swift: Thoughts on Various Subjects, Moral and Diverting

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> > No there is no zero in my list of naturals, in my list is each natural
> > number a discrete ***items***, ***entity*** with a magnitude.

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> Zero is a perfectly good "magnitude", and in ever more set theories,
> zero is a perfectly good natural number.
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> So how can you have an arithmetic of natural numbers which does not
> allow a numeral representing the first of them??
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