Date: Apr 1, 2013 2:56 PM
Author: fom
Subject: Re: Mathematics and the Roots of Postmodern Thought

On 4/1/2013 12:36 PM, david petry wrote:
> On Monday, April 1, 2013 2:25:31 AM UTC-7, Dan wrote:

>> On Apr 1, 7:20 am, david petry <> wrote:
>>> Applied mathematicians know they have to produce something
> that is of use to the scientists, which does imply that they
> are taking falsifiability into consideration.

>> Real mathematicians do their own thing
> Are you suggesting that applied mathematicians are not real mathematicians?

>> Scientists take the mathematics given to
>> them [...] and use it to build theories

> Revisionist history? A huge amount of mathematics was developed by scientists
> simply because they needed it, and then the mathematicians took it and
> added their own bells and whistles.

History is a somewhat "wobbly" concept in this
regard, is it not?

The profession of "scientist" evolved in the
nineteenth century in conjunction with trends
such as industrialization, globalization, and
a mercantile imperialism.

So who is claimed by whom will not really
depend on fact as much as the fiction of
how a partial accounting of some individual's
accomplishments fit into some narrow history
accounting for some specific subject matter.

The practical motivation for using and developing
mathematics should not be minimized.

Nor should the demands of critics who forced
philosophical investigation of the practices
so introduced.

If, however, you wish to subtract the "bells
and whistles" then you should begin by
identifying which of the historical criticisms
"mathematicians" should have ignored.