Date: Apr 6, 2013 3:56 AM
Author: namducnguyen
Subject: Re: Matheology § 224
On 06/04/2013 1:29 AM, Virgil wrote:

> In article <A2P7t.14440$yV1.13813@newsfe29.iad>,

> Nam Nguyen <namducnguyen@shaw.ca> wrote:

>

>> On 06/04/2013 12:08 AM, Virgil wrote:

>>> In article <bWN7t.281592$O52.191417@newsfe10.iad>,

>>> Nam Nguyen <namducnguyen@shaw.ca> wrote:

>>>

>>>> On 05/04/2013 10:31 PM, Virgil wrote:

>>>>> In article <VFM7t.356449$PC7.98356@newsfe03.iad>,

>>>>> Nam Nguyen <namducnguyen@shaw.ca> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Then you don't seem to understand the nature of cGC, depending on the

>>>>>> formulation of the Conjecture but being a _different_ formula.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> For GC (the Goldbach conjecture), there naturally are 2 cases:

>>>>>

>>>>> What if the GC is eventually proved true in all systems?

>>>>

>>>> What do you mean by "all" systems?

>>>

>>> At least all systems in which a set of positive naturals with the usual

>>> forms of addition and multiplication are possible.

>>

>> What do you mean by "positive naturals", "usual forms", "possible"?

>> That's way too "intuitive" to conclude anything definitely, right?

>

> The naturals nowadays can either include zero or not, and zero is not a

> positive natural.

So do the naturals include zero, or not? We seem to have a choice?

>

> Are you really not familiar with the usual forms of addition and

> multiplication as they are understood for natural numbers?

Right. Except we seem to have a choice too that cGC is true, or not.

So what are _your_ natural numbers? Zero is included? Zero isn't

included? cGC is true? ~cGC is true?

In fact there will be infinitely many choices!

So _many choices_ for "the natural numbers"!

Which one would _you_ _choose_ as the desired non-logical concept?

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