Date: Jul 7, 2013 12:44 AM Author: Joe Niederberger Subject: Re: Is logic part of mathematics - or is mathematics part of<br> logic? Joe N says:

>If one is trying to convince people, logic in *most* cases is of limited value. If one is dealing with mother nature, it is of supreme value.

The Machiavellian corollary is that one is trying to manipulate people, rather than persuade, logic is necessary.

Cheers,

Joe N