On 12/9/2012 2:09 PM, Robert Hansen wrote:

On Dec 9, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Gary Tupper <gtupper@peda.com> wrote:

GS Chandy has submitted a comprehensive summary of what democracy might be considered to be.

Both of you seem to be conflating democracy with economics and give short shrift to liberty, justice and freedom. Keep it simple Gary. The haves and have nots.

Bob Hansen
Robert: I take liberty, justice & freedom as 'givens' in a proper democracy - they are the fruits of a functioning democracy. But the rub is that these should be available to all citizens: the liberty to be poor, the justice for the select and the freedom to remain disadvantaged are not what I have in mind.

If Haiti & Syria are 'democracies' then heaven help us.