On 05/08/2013 09:16 PM, kirby urner wroteThe issue is whether the testing, whether integral or not, is revealing the same information for the new way as for the old.Testing is integral. Performance gets reviewed. True in scouting as
well. You get badges, like grades in some ways.
A teacher in the tank for hands-on approaches reporting how great the kids are doing isn't the same. The plural of anecdote is not objective data.
Yes, that's how they'd carved the turkey back then. Math was forbrains and shop was for "below grade level". The ethnic stereotypes
NO, Kirby. Shop at my school was for *everyone*, including the middle class white kids. The math in the shops was below grade level because shop in the 8th grade didn't (and doesn't) require much math.
Orienteering is likewise not math.Playing chess is not math, and yet mathematicians study chess.
Yes, they do. Do they call it math, or do they call it chess?
I recall in the college symphony that math, physics and engineering majors dominated the percussion and brass sections. We called it "music", not math, despite the mathematical relationships specified by the musical notations, yet another bit of technology that was developed over the last millennium.
Really, Kirby, let's call the spade a spade. Math isn't orienteering, chess, music or woodshop.