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Chan-Ho Suh

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Re: Hex Win Proof?
Posted: Mar 23, 2004 10:08 PM
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In article <c3p0bk$2fl7ms$1@athena.ex.ac.uk>, Robin Chapman
<rjc@ivorynospamtower.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> Torben Ôø‡idius Mogensen wrote:
>

> >
> > Indeed, if we want to prove it to a mathematician who does not already
> > accept the intermediate value theorem (of which the intersection
> > property is a simple consequence).

>
> Is it?
>
> Now I presume this "intersection property" can be paraphrased as
> "a path with endpoints at two opposite vertices of a square with
> all other points in the interior of the square must meet a path
> with endpoints at the other two vertices of the square with
> all other points in the interior of there square".
>
> That's a simple consequence of the intermediate value theorem, is it?
>
> I must be stupid, since the only way I can see to prove that is
> using the Jordan Curve Theorem. :-(


I don't think you're being stupid, unless I'm being stupid also :-)

I can't see a way to prove this without Jordan separation. It's not
just a matter of the intermediate value theorem. If one path can be
straightened out, then one can apply the intermediate value theorem,
but saying that you can straighten out a path is essentially the
content of the Jordan curve theorem.

I'm very skeptical of this, because if you could show the paths must
intersect with the intermediate value theorem, then I think you have a
proof of Jordan separation with just a little extra work. So this
would be a much simpler proof than I've ever seen of that.



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