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Re: The Fraud Part II
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Feb 9, 2012 12:49 PM
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Then why force her to take the test at all? What's the point except of course to enrich the pockets of Pearson and give all of these "algebra" teachers jobs while making the beautician miserable? I don't remember Florida saying that they know these kids aren't actually learning algebra so we just made up some scores. Can you point me to where they said that? They said that all kids should know algebra, algebra 2 in fact, and be ready for college. Then they made up some scores. You are rationalizing. Florida NEVER said what you are saying. Probably because it sounds silly.
I already addressed the partial credit problems. Let's say you had 20 questions, and all the student did was write down the equation each time. They didn't solve for a root or do the simplification or do the task asked for them, they just did the first step of writing down the equation. Are you suggesting they get 50%? That is all there is to these problems Paul. They are not multi step physics problems. If you even try to break these little problems into parts, the parts you are left with in the beginning are benign and represent no knowledge of algebra. I will not waste anymore time on this claim of yours that students getting 35% on THESE exams are actually getting 60%. I guess the kids getting 60% are actually getting 120%.
If you see me running away from this claim in the future it's because it is crazy.
Bob Hansen
On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Paul Tanner wrote:
> No, stop saying that as long as she has to take and pass algebra and
> the algebra exit exam, she should be hit with minimal cutoff scores
> that she cannot reasonably be expected to obtain.
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> And, again, you keep running away from my proof that the 35% IN
> QUESTION is EASILY equivalent to a 60% IN QUESTION. As to what I mean
> with "in question", see my last post in this thread
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> http://mathforum.org/kb/message.jspa?messageID=7664713&tstart=0
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> so that you can stop running away from it. Yes, you are running away
> from it. You have not actually addressed it apart from silly
> sophistry. Let's see whether you actually deal with it by actually
> addressing it - address what I actually say in detail in this last
> post of mine above.
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> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Robert Hansen <bob@rsccore.com> wrote:
>> No, stop making her take algebra. They shouldn't be making anyone take
>> algebra. It isn't their business and if they would follow that advice they
>> wouldn't have to lie and cheat like this. You keep confusing the 35% as the
>> fraud. They whole mess is the fraud. The 35% is just proof. A sign of how
>> desperate the fraud is. If they were not forcing students to take algebra
>> they wouldn't have to lie about the results.
>>
>> Bob Hansen
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>> On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Paul Tanner wrote:
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>> But then you turn around and say that we need to raise the cutoff for
>> passing that exit exam - and by a lot, making it so that that poor
>> little girl who just wants to be a beautician probably won't be able
>> to pass that exit exam no matter how hard she tries, destroying any
>> hope of getting a diploma no matter how hard she tries!
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