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Topic: The Injurious School Culture Enforced by High-Stakes Testing
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GS Chandy

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Re: The Injurious School Culture Enforced by High-Stakes Testing
Posted: Nov 24, 2012 12:52 AM
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Haim posted Nov 22, 2012 6:44 PM (GSC's remarks interspersed):
> Richard Hake Posted: Nov 21, 2012 5:59 PM
> ======================================
> In response to my post "The Injurious School Culture

> So, according to David Denby, the leader of the
> e Democratic Party and the most socialist President
> of The Republic in living memory conspires with the
> "conservative wing" of the Education Mafia, exactly
> to what end is not clear. They are aided and abetted
> by governors (among whom are many Democrats) and
> mayors (almost all of whom are Democrats), and the
> Republican Party is at the bottom of it all, never
> mind that NCLB was written almost single-handedly by
> a lion of the Democratic Party and a champion of the
> Education Mafia, one Senator Ted Kennedy, RIP. And
> you are okay with this chaotic and improbable
> conspiracy theory, professor?

I believe Paul A. Tanner III at his post of Nov 23, 2012 2:56 AM - - has dealt quite thoroughly with the mistaken and/or false asseverations that Haim makes in the above.

My intent here is only to comment by way of a question on one of Haim's adjectives in his question (to Professor Hake): "And you are okay with this chaotic and improbable conspiracy theory, professor?"

"... improbable conspiracy theory" ?? Is this 'conspiracy theory' MORE/LESS improbable than Haim's wondrous prescription for the claimed ills of the US public school system, namely: "PUT THE EDUCATION MAFIA IN JAIL!" ???
> I appeal to Ockham and say to you there is a much
> h simpler and more coherent explanation for the
> education reform efforts (however misguided they may
> be): the public schools have collapsed to the
> detriment of many people (especially poor and
> minority), the people who actually run the schools
> are responsible, and even Democrats want to do
> something about it.

I am in whole-hearted agreement that any 'system' created by humans (including the US public school system) will necessarily be far less effective (and less coherent) than any 'system' created through the processes of evolution (in nature or in human society); indeed, any human-made system will definitely be riven by uncounted ills and deficiencies (which we should try and ameliorate, if possible).

But it is unlikely indeed that ANY of those ills will ever be cured - or alleviated even in any minor way - through Haim's famous prescription: "PUT THE EDUCATION MAFIA IN JAIL!" A simple application of Ockham's Razor - on which profound principle Haim appears to place considerable faith - will demonstrate that this is necessarily true.
> And the pitiful Diane Ravitch? She contorts
> rts herself intellectually and morally to protect the
> guilty, who are her professional friends.
> Haim
> No representation without taxation.

Stimulated by Haim's several uncomplimentary references to "the pitiful Diane Ravitch" as someone who has 'betrayed the faith' (so to speak), I have lately been looking at some of her articles and comments that are readily available at her blog and/or at her website. I am of course not entirely familiar with the context of several of the issues on which she writes, but, in general, much of what she writes does appear to me to make excellent sense indeed. This remark is put up as a corrective to Haim's jaundiced opinion. Links to Ms Ravitch's blog and some of her articles are provided below, so readers here may decide for themselves:

-- Diane Ravitch's blog:
-- Link to some of Diane Ravitch articles:

Attached herewith is a PowerPoint presentation describing some tools that could help with the development of effective educational systems.

("Still Shoveling Away!" - with apologies if due to Barry Garelick for any tedium caused; and with the observation that the EASY way to avoid such tedium is simply to refrain from opening any message purported to originate from GSC)

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