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Karl M. Bunday

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Re: anybody got an IQ over 200 here?
Posted: Jun 8, 2006 11:07 AM
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David R Tribble wrote, in reply to another participant:

>> Anyone who "translates" an IQ score from SAT scores is automatically
>> an ignoramus about what IQ scores are supposed to measure --
>> intelligence, not APTITUDE -- which the SAT scores measure.

>
> So you're saying there is no correlation between the two?


It sounds like David is asking an appropriate question about what psychologists
call the "naming fallacy." Here's what Julian Stanley and Kenneth Hopkins had to
say about the matter in their authoritative book on educational testing:

Hopkins, Kenneth D. & Stanley, Julian C. (1981). Educational and
Psychological Measurement and Evaluation. Englewood Cliffs, NJ: Prentice
Hall.

"Many parents are unaware that intelligence tests tend to measure primarily
scholastic aptitude and that many other cognitive abilities that can be
legitimately considered to reflect intelligence and special abilities are
untapped." (page 363)

In this, Stanley and Hopkins agree with Lewis Terman, the author of the
Stanford-Binet scales, who by 1937 knew better than to claim that his tests
tapped all aspects of intelligent human behavior.

Discussing the relationship between IQ and scholastic achievement, Stanley and
Hopkins make a very important point:

"Most authorities feel that current intelligence tests are more aptly described
as 'scholastic aptitude' tests because they are so highly related to academic
performance, although current use suggests that the term INTELLIGENCE TEST is
going to be with us for some time." (He got that right.) This reservation is
based NOT on the opinion that intelligence tests do not reflect intelligence but
on the belief that there are other kinds of intelligence that are not reflected
in current tests; the term INTELLIGENCE is too inclusive." (page 364, emphasis
in original)

It's really time to talk here about VALIDATION of IQ tests, "scholastic
aptitude" tests, and other mental tests. It doesn't do to simply treat a test
battery as a magical incantation that produces a unitless number with no agreed
meaning.

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