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Andre TOOM

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Manifesto on IMP (fwd)
Posted: May 6, 1997 11:28 PM
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Andre Toom
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:59:52 -0800 (AKDT)
From: Kim Mackey <>
Subject: Manifesto on IMP

About two months ago I posted a message to this newsgroup about IMP
(Interactive Mathematics Program), including a conversation with a 3rd year
IMP student and an analysis of a transcript study done by the WCER on IMP.
In my analysis I suggested that the evidence indicated that IMP hindered
high-achieving mathematics students more than the traditional program. Below
is a manifesto which I believe supports my analysis. The manifesto was
written by Dr. Shoumen Datta who works in the Superintendent's office of the
San Francisco Unified School District. Dr. Datta has given me permission to
post his manifesto to the newsgroup.

regards, Kim Mackey


From: Dr Shoumen Datta

Manifesto on an Experimental Concept Gone Awry

Shoumen Datta

Rarely an acronym [IMP] has generated such a polarized acrimonious response
within an academic community, in particular, at SFUSD's Thurgood Marshall
Academic High School [TMAHS] which opened its doors from Fall 1994 at Bay
View - Hunter's Point area of the city. The dividing lines are clear: the
current practice and implementation of IMP is deemed failing in rigour by
most who value uncompromising scholarship; those who favour IMP are less
impressed by rigour or scholarship and encourage the lowest common

The author of this manifesto finds no reason to oppose the conceptual
mechanism promoted by the Interactive Mathematics Program [IMP] but believes
that its current state of implementation falls far too short of any
scholastic yardstick. It is also my opinion that IMP could provoke a sense
of inquiry in a small cross-section of students whose aptitude may already
reflect promise in the area of arts or humanities. Therefore, inclusion of
IMP as an alternative mathematics program has its merits. However, let there
be no doubt that IMP does not provide the core mathematics foundation vital
for physical sciences and pre-engineering courses. The latter must be
offered at levels that will enable SFUSD graduates to successfully compete
for institutions like UC Berkeley and Stanford University. Above all, IMP
cannot satisfy the academic requirements and is in stark contrast to the
Superintendent's proposal to mandate higher standards for graduation. This
manifesto, albeit incomplete, will attempt to present facts and opinions
with respect to the four critical players in this debate: students,
teachers, parents and administrators.


It is uncommon to find students attending a parent-teachers meeting at 7pm
but such a meeting at TMAHS on 3rd December 96 was attended by several
students. The discussion was suitability of IMP as the only mathematics
offering for an "academic" school. Quotes:

"Science class has stopped (for the second year in a row) because students
didn't know necessary mathematics"

"I have learned more in Dr. Butscher's SAT prep class than in 2 years of IMP"

"All juniors were told they've had 3 years of college prep mathematics, why
don't we feel prepared for college?"

"IMP doesn't prepare us for the real world"

"I was an A student upon entry to Marshall -- I lost that standing due to
IMP -- I do much better in traditional mathematics"

"I am an 11th Grader and I took geometry over the summer and was lost"

"We took 2 or 3 fold more time in physics for our teacher to help with
mathematics first"

"I am not being prepared for the SATs"

"I don't want to hinge my future on my K-8 mathematics skills -- I want to
take traditional mathematics -- I can't transfer IMP skills to Chemistry

"I am not a good mathematics student and I don't feel the teachers help me
enough to understand"

"I am juggling 2 math courses (because of junior IMP requirement) and
considering dropping pre-calculus"

Let me outline some mathematical facts that were revealed from three
questions that I asked:

1] From among the 20-30 sophomores and juniors present at this PTSA meeting
not a SINGLE student could explain the difference between y = mx + c and y =

2] Only ONE student could explain the difference between a rhombus and a

3] Students were at a COMPLETE loss at the following question: If you have
100 ml of a 1M solution, how much 0.3 M solution can you make from it.

It is QED that something is deeply amiss! If one knows mathematics, one
would agree, hands down! What steps are being taken? An objective evaluation
should include rigorous algebraic and geometric reasoning questions in
addition to a survey of "attitudes" towards mathematics and mathematical
self-confidence of students in the aftermath of IMP.


At the 3rd December 1996 meeting, one science teacher [whose class was the
cover story of US News & World Report in 2 Dec 96 issue] voiced the
following opinion. Quote:

My name is Dennis Frezzo. I have a Master's degree in Electrical Engineering
from UC Berkeley, and I worked for 3 years developing laser surgery
equipment in Silicon Valley. I have taught high school for 5 years, the last
3 here at Marshall. My opposition to IMP is based on the following 4 reasons:
1) In my professional judgment as an engineer and as a teacher, IMP is not
preparing our students for an education, or a career, in engineering and
2) I have taught two-thirds of the students here at Marshall -- over 600 --
and do not find that IMP is preparing our students to succeed in
mathematics-based classes such as physics and electronics.
3) For most of our time at Marshall, IMP has been an ideologically-driven,
inflexible, minimal-feedback curricular experiment conducted upon our
students. IMP has, until recently, been unwilling to listen to the
self-articulated needs of our students. If a student-centered evaluation of
IMP were done, it would show that IMP is meeting the needs of neither our
low-achieving or our high-achieving students. Dozens of students, who
enjoyed mathematics prior to Marshall, now feel inadequate about the
mathematics they are NOT learning.
4) In part because of IMP's failings, students wishing to take calculus in
senior year must complete 6 one-year mathematics courses to do what other
curricula do in 4 courses. The result is fewer arts and humanities electives
which serve to broaden the outlooks of, and increase the career options of,
our students here at Marshall. I would add that while others amongst the
science faculty feel similarly, I am speaking for myself and others and for
many students. Particularly ridiculous is the claim that IMP is responsible
for our high math scores at Marshall. No such correlations are warranted in
an uncontrolled, multivariable experiment.

Mr Frezzo, thereafter, was faced with personal attacks from IMP teachers at
TMAHS, including the department chair and district administrators. The
accuracy of his critiques were reflected in the display of content-deprived
insecurities of the teachers and administrators involved in this quagmire.
The science department chair at TMAHS, a 12 year employee of SFUSD with a BS
in Biology, has actively discouraged the science and technology teachers
from constructive criticisms of IMP. The science department staff is
comprised of two doctorates [Chemistry, Engineering], two engineers [EE,
ME], two Master's [Physics, Chemistry] and a couple BS [Biology]. The TMAHS
science chair [BS] should consider it his privilege and honour to lead such
a group of teachers and pay attention to the scholarship they bring to the
system. The question begs to be asked if content-based curriculum
discussions are being squelched because of political collusion by those who
lack scholarship?

The four teachers who teach science to the junior class has described
similar experiences arising from inadequacies of IMP at TMAHS. It must be
noted that this school was publicly promised to offer an academically
rigorous college-preparatory mathematics, science and technology curriculum
for all students. Specifically, students have great difficulty isolating
unknowns, have no basic understanding of slope, have little or no facility
with handling scientific numbers, exponents, compound fractions, radicals,
have poor graphical interpretation skills and lack confidence in any use of
their analytical problem-solving skills.

Other teachers report and I consent, that IMP's curricular material are
sub-standard in terms of visual presentation and layout compared to the
worst modern mathematics texts. Little technology or computer integration is
reflected in the curriculum other than the use of hand-held calculators. The
latter enables the student to mechanically plot [say: y = mx + c] but does
not install the concept or rigour of the fundamental equation! Since IMP's
problem of the week remain unchanged from year to year, discouraged students
are prone to indulge in uncalled for liberties. Is this the hallmark of a
robust and effective curriculum?

The success claimed by the proponents of IMP should have induced the juniors
to opt for IMP. Shouldn't it? Instead it was imposed as a "requirement" or
else students, in large numbers, would not choose IMP as their junior
mathematics class. Requirement of IMP in the junior year causes a de facto
requirement for pre-calculus as well, since students realize they are
mathematically handicapped. Such impositions compromises their choices in
arts and technology electives leading to even lesser opportunity for a
well-rounded education.

Two tenth grade Integrated Science teachers report that their students are
afraid of ANY science problem which involve mathematics. They add many
supplemental drills to their curriculum to overcome the math anxiety in
their students. Implementation of IMP is teaching neither the
problem-solving skills nor the number-handling skills necessary for even the
most basic quantitative scientific rigour. I understand that some members of
the science department considered drafting a statement regarding the
universal lack of mathematics preparation as perpetuated by IMP, but
factoring in the the price of administrative backlash, one can understand
their reticence. Is this the nature of working in a "world-class school" as
touted in the recent SFUSD public relations pamphlet?

The poor scholastic backbone of the mathematics department at TMAHS lends it
support to IMP. Some mathematics teachers in this department do not even
possess an undergraduate degree in mathematics! I wouldn't give one iota of
credibility to opinions expressed by such individuals. Of course, it is
comfortable to say "yes" to political status quo where criticisms of IMP
curriculum are considered politically incorrect.


Several weeks prior to the 3rd December 1996 meeting, I received an e-mail
from Dr Jim Marks outlining the academic insults inflicted by IMP at TMAHS.
The e-mail was forwarded to SFUSD Superintendent Waldemar Rojas and
Associate Superintendent Maria Santos. Subsequently, four TMAHS parents
visited me to discuss their concerns about IMP. It was clear from my
discussion with Dr Jim Marks, Mrs Marlyn Bussey, Mr Dennis Lok and Mr Jim
Lee, that the situation was approaching a public precipitation that was not
reflective of the Superintendent's intention or goals. I assured them that I
had no doubts about the Superintendent's committment to uphold rigorous
mathematics as a part of his publicly proposed vision during the dedication
of TMAHS. In addition, I mentioned that the Superintendent had indicated to
me on multiple occasions that IMP has limited or no role in an "academic"
college-preparatory school. On 3rd December one parent defended the IMP
program [he is an architect] but an overwhelming number of parents were
critical. Quotes:

"My son took a programming class at UC over summer; the instructor told him
his mathematics background was not adequate"

"I feel lost trying to help my student because there's no reference material
for IMP"

"The Current IMP program is short-changing students -- they need to mix SAT
mathematics with IMP problems and problem-solving methods"

"There is no time for juniors to make up deficits for SATs this spring"

"I have my son do tutorials in algebra to augment IMP mathematics"

"The district is using TMAHS students as guinea pigs"

"Why is IMP not taught at other academic high schools?"

"IMP does not provide the mathematics background to pursue the sciences in
any serious manner"

"Chemistry and Physics teachers are having to provide extra mathematics

"IMP does not offer the breadth and rigour necessary for conceptual
appreciation of higher mathematics, science, or technology"

"IMP does not provide what is needed for the mathematics section on the SAT"

"My proposal is to compromise, and have both IMP and traditional mathematics"

"IMP does not adequately teach algebra, geometry and trigonmetry"


TMAHS Principal, Dr Samuel Butscher, who has earned a PhD in Mathematics
Education from UC Berkely, has been repeatedly cornered in difficult
situations with the intent to disallow him to arrive at an implementation
plan of IMP to include greater rigour. I believe that most recently Dr
Butscher was "overruled" in his attempt to make IMP optional for juniors. Dr
Butscher has repeatedly proposed creating hybrids since the dichotomy of IMP
versus the supposed demon "traditional mathematics" is false. Constructive
alternatives to IMP and traditional mathematics exist: they are rigorous,
integrated, engaging with a wide variety of manipulatives and computer
applications. IMP's supporters pretend there is no alternative to IMP for
reaching low-achieving students: this is simply not the case. Much of this
has been done in the name of adhering to the strict provisions of the NSF
grant. TMAHS is not an experimental station for NSF or its grant recipients.
Is it? I will be discussing the debilitating effect of SFUSD's IMP with NSF

Mr Bernard Farges, Director of SF Project 2061, has been facilitating a
Mathematics and Science Collaboration at TMAHS. A superior communicator and
a mathematics teacher by profession, Mr Farges deserves great praise for
attempting to "see through" this apparent madness of political turf battle
versus truth in scholarship. One-on-one, IMP teachers are interacting with
their science counterparts, working out a matrix which matches specific
mathematics skills needed in science with their corresponding IMP units.
Extra drills [often in algebra] are being added to IMP. While this
productive work is trying to reform IMP, it does not address the core
weakness. We must tune the engine and stop polishing the chrome.
Administrators responsible for this debacle should know better!

My views are said to be "elitist" since it is often implied that IMP serves
African-American and Latino students well. The failure rates of
African-American and Latino students in IMP parallel their failure rates in
other core classes at TMAHS. It is clear that IMP is actually leaving
African-American and Latino students further behind since they are not
seeking supplemental help in mathematics being buoyed by their false sense
of confidence in "achieveing" the lowest common denominator offered by IMP.
On the other hand, higher self-expectations among Asian-American students
lead to their feeling of inadequacy with IMP. Consequently, they seek
mathematics tutorials outside of school. The latter widens the gap and
promotes the exact opposite of what IMP would like to claim. In other words,
it is my hypothesis that a controlled study may reveal the difference in
mathematics achievement between African-American [and Latino students] and
Asian-American students are widening because of IMP. This is truly a dark
example of a supposedly good intention gone awry!


Scores obtained by a select group of so-called "high-achieving" TMAHS
juniors are not encouraging. Mean score was 470 on the mathematics part of
PSAT. Shouldn't we use this as a pragmatic "bottom-line" for which TMAHS
mathematics staff and district proponents of IMP should be held accountable?
Is it so difficult to do the right thing for our students?


Dr Shoumen Datta PhD
Director of Development
Director of Strategic Technology
Office of the Superintendent

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