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Topic: Re: Time for Moderation
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Re: Time for Moderation
Posted: Jul 31, 2000 8:12 PM
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All those acronyms remind me of a discussion I had once about FDA GMP (the
Food and Drug Administrations 'Good Manufacturing Practice'). I had
suggested that it was appropriate for many non-medical businesses. I got
a lot of disagreement until I asked who was advocating bad manufacturing
practice. The connection here is that most non-standardized measures
suffer from all of the ills attributed to standardized test plus many more.
If I'm looking at a portfolio from Kansas, how do I know if an essay was
the product of 6 months, if it was a group project, if it was the 10th
revision, if assistance (human?, spell checker?, grammar checker?) was
provided during its preparation, etc. But more fundamentally how do I
compare it against an essay from Nebraska? The SAT may not be an optimal
measure but at least it is standard: it is a basis for comparison like the
ISO, IEC, ASTM, and EN standards.

> From: Charles Masenas <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Time for Moderation
> Date: Monday, July 31, 2000 15:35
> --- Lou Talman ( wrote:

> > The main difference being, of course, that a
> > pregnancy test or a cancer
> > test has been scientifically validated: We know
> > exactly what it
> > measures, how it measures what it measures, and why
> > what it measures
> > supports the conclusions we draw from it. We know
> > these things
> > objectively. Moreover, we know what kinds of errors
> > the tests make and
> > how to compensate for them. None of these things
> > can be said of the
> > test results we obtain in education.
> > --Lou Talman

> 1. Without looking back, the test result Lou is
> talking
> about is:
> a) GPA
> b) SAT
> c) GRE
> d) GED
> e) some other TLA (three letter acronym)
> 2. The point Lou is making is:
> a) an A is indistinguishable from a D because neither
> can be scientifically validated
> b) we need a ministry of grading for validation of
> all tests
> c) any grade he has ever given out is in error
> d) he has never passed a pregnancy test
> e) if Wayne says north then Lou must argue south
> regardless of the absurdity
> Look for official answers in tomorrow's email.
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