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Jim Swift

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Posted: Sep 4, 1996 9:59 AM
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>Subject: BOUNCE apstat-l: Admin request
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>----- Forwarded message from Georgia K. Robinson -----
> Also, frequent references are given to an EdStat listserv. Does
>anyone have the address to subscribe to this other statistics group?
>----- End of forwarded message from Georgia K. Robinson -----
>Here is a review and subscription information. A version (possibly
>this one!) of the review appeared in _The American Statistician_.
> Review of the Statistical Education List EdStat-L
>EdStat-L is an online list concerned with statistical education.
>Access is free to anyone who has access to the Internet, as most
>college professors do. The list originates in the Department of
>Statistics at North Carolina State University, and is operated by
>Tim Arnold, Director of Instructional Computing in the department.
>This review will be of interest mainly to those of you who are
>teaching a service (or first) course in statistics. Suppose that
>as an inducement to get you to perform this public service, you
>are offered a chance to attend a national conference on teaching
>statistics. Suppose the conference even includes significant
>representation from overseas. There would, no doubt, be many
>formal sessions and addresses you could attend, but you find that
>one of the best resources is the convention center cafeteria.
>The location of the center leaves participants with no other
>choice for lunch, so each day you walk in, fill a tray, and
>assign yourself to a table at random. The discussion there is
>usually lively. As anywhere, some around the table have an
>opinion on everything, while others rarely speak at all. Some of
>the discussion seems pretty silly, while some of it is
>interesting and educational. When the conference is over, you
>realize you will really miss those lunches. Well, those lunches
>still continue, although you will have to provide your own food
>now. On the other hand, you need not have attended the original
>conference in order to take part.
>The parable above is the best way I could think of to introduce the
>email list EdStat-L. Here is how such a list works. You send a
>message to the list, and that message goes to all the list's
>subscribers. For example, while preparing this review, I used the
>list to track down the source of a famous quote from George Box.
>Within a day or two, I got half a dozen replies. Some were sent to me
>personally; others were sent to the entire list. This means that if
>you subscribe to the list, you can benefit from answers given to other
>people's questions. According to Tim Arnold, creator of EdStat-L,
> The purpose of the forum is to provide a vehicle for
> comments, techniques and philosophies of teaching
> statistics. The primary focus is on college level
> statistics education, both undergraduate and graduate
> studies. The forum attempts to bring together every
> teacher, student, researcher and specialist interested
> in improving statistics instruction.
>EdStat-L started on 23 October 1991 and grew to over 300
>members in a matter of days. The forum now has almost 600 email
>subscribers. The list is also available through the UseNet
>newsgroup ""; approximately 600 to 1,000 people
>participate in the forum that way. The topics discussed vary
>tremendously. There have been debates about who should teach
>statistics and how much probability there should be in a first
>statistics course. There have been discussions of the purpose of
>the introductory (and introductory business) statistics course,
>the role of an experimental design course in training engineers,
>and helpful hints for first time intro stat instructors.
>Opinions of various textbooks and software packages flow back and
>forth regularly. In addition, EdStat-L serves as a body of
>expert advisers. Recently there have been queries about the
>robustness of the t-test, Chernoff faces, and computer algorithms for
>calculating the median. Because the volume, quality, and
>subject of postings varies tremendously, it is hard to "rate" a
>list like this. There is really no substitute for trying it
>yourself and seeing how much you get out of it.
>One means of access is through the Internet. If you are at an
>academic institution, you probably already have this. Ask. You
>can also get Internet access through commercial services such as
>America Online or Delphi. Once you have access, you will find a
>host of other services available on the net. You can exchange
>email with colleagues (or drafts with coauthors) all over the
>world. You can subscribe to the electronic _Journal of
>Statistics Education_. You can download data sets to use in your
>class. There are even national committees of the ASA that meet
>mostly by email! I have tried all of these things, and they have
>contributed tremendously to my professional life. I think this
>is especially likely to be true for those who rarely see another
>ASA member. But whether you are isolated, or sitting in the
>headquarters of the ASA, I urge you to give EdStat-L (and the
>rest of the Internet) a try. To subscribe to EdStat-L, email
>a one-line message including the command "SUBSCRIBE", the list
>name "EdStat-L" and your first and last name, to
>For example, I would send
> SUBSCRIBE EdStat-L Bob Hayden
>Once you send this message, you will receive an automatic email
>response from the server confirming your subscription. You can
>unsubscribe at any time by repeating the above, replacing SUBSCRIBE
>with UNSUBSCRIBE, and deleting your name. If you reply to a
>message posted on the list, your reply goes @I(only) to the
>author of the posting. Mail intended for everyone on the list
>should go to
>You might start by telling folks about this big project assignment you
>are planning for next term and see if they can suggest any good
>topics. Have fun!
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> | | Department of Mathematics
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