
RE: way too much content in this A2T course
Posted:
May 12, 2010 11:31 AM



How about requiring a 4th year of mathematics?
One option would be to delve into prob, stat, sequence and series aka precalculus and take these out of algebra2/trig.
Another 4th year option might be financial mathematics/algebra or trends, modeling, numeracy, statistics.
________________________________ From: ownernyshsmath@mathforum.org [ownernyshsmath@mathforum.org] On Behalf Of msedfun@aol.com [msedfun@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:24 PM To: nyshsmath@mathforum.org Subject: Re: way too much content in this A2T course
Is statistics really the thing that should go? I agree with removing probability, but statistics impacts many other subjects in higher education. I don't know that I would take it out. But perhaps some of the trig could go?
Sharon
Original Message From: barnsky@optonline.net To: nyshsmath@mathforum.org Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 4:18 pm Subject: Re: way too much content in this A2T course
So what can we do??? Who do we speak with?? I taught the course to advanced
10th graders. I moved fast. I can't imagine teaching this way to a regular
student. We need to contact state Ed NOW!! Who do we contact? I don't think
there would be one person in the entire state who wouldn't agree with us! Take
out probability and Statistics..it is that simple!
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From: msedfun@aol.com<mailto:msedfun@aol.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:12 pm
Subject: Re: way too much content in this A2T course
To: nyshsmath@mathforum.org<mailto:nyshsmath@mathforum.org>
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> There *is* way too much in the course and I think we are
> overburdening the students. I think if we all band together, maybe
> we can change the core. After all, the Math A/B debacle came to an
> end because of student failure and teacher criticism. Perhaps we
> don't have to wait for overwhelming student failure in order to
> change things.
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> Sharon
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> From: TKENYON@crcs.wnyric.org<mailto:TKENYON@crcs.wnyric.org>
> To: nyshsmath@mathforum.org<mailto:nyshsmath@mathforum.org>
> Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 10:58 am
> Subject: Re: way too much content in this A2T course
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> I'm not teaching Algebra II, but am helping a student daily during
> AIS & can see the pace of the course. Also agreed  too much
> "stuff." However, since I don't think our discussion on the
> listserv is going to change the core, perhaps we could discuss what
> we can do to help each other ease the burden felt in Algebra II.
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> I've found there to be many opportunities in Algebra & Geometry to
> go just a little bit beyond so that the burden is eased somewhat in
> Algebra II. (and ease the burden in Geometry) For example, in
> Algebra, the only quadratic trinomial factoring that students need
> to learn is when the coefficient on the x² term is 1. It seems
> silly not to factor something like 2x²+3x+1 at that stage. You
> don't necessarily have to assess students on it, but exposing them
> to it at that point makes it a bit easier when they reencounter it
> later. Likewise, when teaching the y=mx+b form in 9th grade, how
> to find slope, equation of a line given the slope & a point, why
> not cover equations of lines parallel to other lines or equations
> of lines perpendicular to other lines? It's just one relatively
> trivial step longer. You can cover most of the entire geometry
> unit on lines during algebra.
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> Likewise, the first year I taught Algebra I, I hadn't checked with
> the 8th grade teacher to see what they had done the previous year.
> Spending a day teaching one step equations, then a day teaching 2
> step equations, as I initially planned, was a waste of valuable
> time. Also, based on recommendations from one of the Algebra II
> teachers, I've dedicated little chunks of time here and there to
> reviewing certain skills during geometry, such as simplifying
> square roots, factoring trinomials, etc.  not just reviewed here
> and there, but rather retaught as minilessons when there's 10
> spare minutes, complete with plenty of practice.
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> Any other ideas for helping to ease the future burden on the
> Algebra II course?
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> Tom Kenyon
> CRCS Mathematics/Physics
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> ownernyshsmath@mathforum.org<mailto:ownernyshsmath@mathforum.org> wrote: 
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> To: nyshsmath@mathforum.org<mailto:nyshsmath@mathforum.org>
> From: APrince@lockport.wnyric.org<mailto:APrince@lockport.wnyric.org>
> Sent by: ownernyshsmath@mathforum.org<mailto:ownernyshsmath@mathforum.org>
> Date: 05/11/2010 09:09AM
> Subject: Re: way too much content in this A2T course
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> I agree. Way too much material. Weare moving way to fast for even
> the regular students.
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> From: "Glenn Mary"<mickeycat1@roadrunner.com<mailto:mickeycat1@roadrunner.com>>
> To: <nyshsmath@mathforum.org<mailto:nyshsmath@mathforum.org>>
> Date: 05/10/2010 10:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Alg 2 &Trig Final Exam??
> Sent by: ownernyshsmath@mathforum.org<mailto:ownernyshsmath@mathforum.org>
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> I have just joined this list serve and would liketo know if anyone
> else
> feels that there was way too much content in this A2T course. I
> couldnot
> have gone any faster. I have very bright students and very "slow
> togetit"
> students mixed in my A2T classes. I taught more towards the
> fasterstudents
> in order to cover all topics. We still have logs, stats, and
> probto cover.
> The other teachers in my building have even more to do.
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> Mary
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> From: <precopio@nycap.rr.com<mailto:precopio@nycap.rr.com>>
> To: <nyshsmath@mathforum.org<mailto:nyshsmath@mathforum.org>>
> Cc: "Maiorini, Kathleen" <MaioriniK@hauppauge.k12.ny.us<mailto:MaioriniK@hauppauge.k12.ny.us>>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:54 AM
> Subject: RE: Alg 2 & Trig Final Exam??
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> > Thank you! That's what I was looking for. You're nevertoo old
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> > learn!
> >  "Maiorini wrote:
> >> The calculator finds the population standard deviation and
> thesample>> standard deviation. When you do Stat > Calc #1: 1
> VarStats a list of
> >> items is calculated. The last one visible on the list beforeyou
> scroll>> is sigma x  the population standard deviation. Right
> abovethat is Sx
> >>  the sample standard deviation.
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> >> I tell my students to always give sigma, the population sd unless
> >> specifically asked for the sample sd.
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> >> Kathleen Maiorini
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> >> Original Message
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> >> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:55 AM
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> >> Subject: Re: Alg 2 & Trig Final Exam??
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> >> If you find it on the calculator let me know!
> >>  "fsasqr@netzero.com<mailto:fsasqr@netzero.com>" <fsasqr@netzero.com<mailto:fsasqr@netzero.com>>wrote:
> >> > The regents by and large uses the population SD but theyhave
> to be
> >> able to do both. Both should be somewhere in the calculator.
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