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Topic: FW: Questkion about Expiration Date on Courses > course readiness

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Schell, Vicki J.

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FW: Questkion about Expiration Date on Courses > course readiness

Posted: Jan 9, 2012 4:11 PM
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We have "readiness quizzes" in most of our courses. However, enforcing them is difficult. We use them to help convince students that they are ready [or not], but if they choose to ignore the results, we can't insist that they move back.

Vicki Schell

From: [] On Behalf Of Clyde Greeno
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 2:32 PM
To: Collinge, Peter (Mathematics); Spencer-Barnes, Amanda G (Hazard);
Subject: Re: Questkion about Expiration Date on Courses > course readiness tests

So, the next question is:

Has any college department created a (CRE) series of "Course Readiness Examinations" for use in every course, Calculus 3 and below? ... on the *first day* of the course, while students can still drop/add courses without losing money.

How else can students and teachers know if/which students are ready for the course. Since "Placement tests" and transcripts are quite inadequate for such purposes, reliance on them is grossly unfair to students ... a bit like allowing them to join the army without physical examinations.
"CREs" could be a very simple way of greatly improving the success/retention rate.

Clyde Greeno,
MALEI Mathematics Institute

From: Collinge, Peter (Mathematics)<>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 9:59 AM
To: Spencer-Barnes, Amanda G (Hazard)<> ;<>
Subject: RE: Questkion about Expiration Date on Courses

Amanda, at Monroe Community College we did some research on this recently and found an interesting result: students where more time had passed since the prerequisite course were generally likely to do as well or better in the next course than students who had just had the prerequisite course! Our suspicion is that there is a confounding variable - if more time has passed, they are also older and likely more mature and more serious students. This research caused us to back off on some talk about putting time restrictions on prerequisites.

Peter Collinge, Professor
Department of Mathematics
Monroe Community College, Rochester NY 14623

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From: [] On Behalf Of Spencer-Barnes, Amanda G (Hazard)
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 10:52 AM
Subject: Questkion about Expiration Date on Courses

Hi everyone! I just have a question about expiration dates on courses. For example, I teach Pre-Algebra up through MAT 150(College Algebra) and Math for Elementary Teachers. These classes all have prerequisites of the preceding classes before you can take the next class. My question is, does your institution have a time limit on how long a class can be considered "good"? For example, if a student completed Pre-Algebra ten years ago, is that class still considered "good" as the prerequisite for the next class even though it has been ten years?


Amanda Spencer-Barnes
Instructor of Mathematics
Hazard Community and Technical College
601 Jefferson Avenue
Jackson, KY 41339
(606)666-7521 ext. 73530

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