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Re: in need of your help!
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Mar 14, 2012 1:07 PM
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This is a little off the immediate topic, but this would make an interesting research topic. On a statewide or national level. Survey all colleges (of course put them into categories CC, 4 year colleges, perhaps by majors???) and ask whether they accept AP credit (and what score), community college dual enrollment credit (and what courses), CLEP and whatever else is out there that I don't know about.
Our local BOCES offers a dual credit Business Math course that counts as a third credit for H.S. graduation, and a liberal arts elective (NOT go toward math requirement) for college dploma.
As teachers, we need to remind students that different colleges have different "rules." When I was teaching, I told students "No matter how skillful you are, you can't win the game, unless you know the rules." This refers to graduation requirements at different high schools (Yes, we do it this way at this school, but if you transfer to another school, you need to learn the rules (requirements) at that school.) Colleges also have different rules. It is the student's responsibility to learn the rules, since the student is paying the tuition for the course. Remember, if the counselor gives the incorrect information, the counselor doesn't pay for the tuition another semester. The student pays. I am amazed at the number of recent college graduates I meet from different colleges, who had to go another semester because "No one told me that I had to take XXX, until it was too late the last semester. I hear this year after year after year. This year, it was the "We will pick you up" driver at a car rental company.
Eleanore Vollweiler
Retired Math/Special Education teacher, George Junior Republic UFSD
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From: TKENYON <TKENYON@crcs.wnyric.org>
To: nyshsmath <nyshsmath@mathforum.org>
Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:54 am
Subject: Re: in need of your help!
Accounting or Business Math counting as a kid's third math credit? Sure, that's fine if the goal is to get the kid out the door with a high school diploma. But, if the kid is planning on going to college, it's a huge disservice that will have financial repercussions against the kid when he or she discovers that they have to take remedial math classes at college that don't count toward their degree.
As far as switching from an AP to Community College based courses - I don't have an issue with that at all. One, due to NY's public school schedule, we're at a slight disadvantage for the AP exams, compared to districts in other states where the AP exam date is a lot closer to the end of their school year than ours. We've switched from AP courses, and probably have an increase, rather than a decrease, in the number of options for students to earn credit in high school. I've been teaching Calculus I through SUNY Albany since my first year here. As far as I know, no kids have ever had those credits denied.
-Tom Kenyon
CRCS Mathematics/Physics
tkenyon@crcs.wnyric.org
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From: Liz Waite
Sent by: owner-nyshsmath@mathforum.org
Date: 03/14/2012 06:49AM
Subject: Re: in need of your help!
We as math teachers need to stand up and strongly object to students getting math credit for taking business courses. I'm not sure how to proceed (this happens elsewhere) but I would hope our unions would be willing to help (although that's not what I've seen on this issue so far)
It is just BAD for kids to drop precalc and calc...doesn't make sense!
Not all schools will accept community college course credit taken in high school and taught by a high school teacher...specifically, I know RPI will NOT, so your principal's argument doesn't really make sense. I would think there are far more schools willing to accept a 5 on AP than there are schools willing to accept the community college partnership credit since those are much more loosely regulated.
Liz
Elizabeth Waite
AMTNYS Vice-President
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From: JFish <JFish@csufsd.org>
To: nyshsmath <nyshsmath@mathforum.org>
Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:37 am
Subject: in need of your help!
I need your opinion/advice on something my principal is attempting to do in my school.
We are a 1st ring suburb of Buffalo with a high school enrollment of 540 and a middle school enrollment of 350. There is only one 8th grade math teacher, who by all accounts, is very weak. Our kids arrive in high school extremely ill-prepared for the rigors of high school math. For the record, there is plenty of rock-solid evidence of the 8th grade teacher's shortcomings.
My high school principal wants to eliminate Pre-Calculus, AP Calculus (our avg. AP score on Calculus AB is over 3.2), and minimize the number of Algebra II and Trig sections. He already has instituted a full math credit for taking Business Math and intends to continue doing so. But now, he is proposing that Accounting be used as a math credit. these proposals will probably cost a math teacher their job. By the way, the principal wants to eliminate the entire AP program and replace it with a program linked only to a local community college. He told our staff a story of how his own son was denied college credit by his college despite getting a 5 on certain AP exams. So he seems biased against AP for personal reasons.
So I was wondering what your opinion on his ideas would be. If you have time, I would appreciate your input. Thanks!!!
Sincerely,
Jim
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