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Roberta M. Eisenberg

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Re: Regenst Exams and grading
Posted: May 21, 2012 9:14 PM
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Well said, Jonathan.

Bobbi

On May 21, 2012, at 8:10 PM, Jonathan wrote:

> Back in the day, RCTs were objectively graded, and Regents counted for a Regents (as opposed to a local) diploma.
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> But NY State made the exams high stakes for students. Teachers did not do that. NY State and many localities made the exams high stakes for schools. Results have been used in NYC, for example, to close schools. And NY State through the new evaluation law has made the exams count (eventually) for teachers' ratings.
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> NY State has created a system that encourages cheating. Teachers should not cheat, period. But let's direct the blame at those responsible for creating an atmosphere where cheating was inevitable, not at victims who show poor judgment.
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> Jonathan Halabi
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> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Westendorf, Neal <nwestendorf@taconichills.k12.ny.us> wrote:
> I completely agree with Tom. I can?t imagine grading high stakes exams for other disciplines nor having them attempt to do mine. I have a major problem with the expense and time required to get them to and from another school or some sort of regional grading center in a timely manner. Who is paying for all of this? If the powers that be trust us so little that we can?t grade our own exams objectively and honestly, then so be it. The exams should stay in school and other members of our dept grade my papers and so on.
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> As an aside, I would like to have a long chat with those in our profession who have created this mess in the first place. Grade the papers objectively and fairly, period. Thanks a lot for the erasures and changes and whatever else you did that got us to the point where I and my colleagues are guilty until proven innocent!
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> From: owner-nyshsmath@mathforum.org [mailto:owner-nyshsmath@mathforum.org] On Behalf Of TKENYON@crcs.wnyric.org
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> I am lmao at the thought of an English department anywhere grading a geometry proof based on "[6]A complete and correct proof that includes a conclusion is written. [5] A proof is written that demonstrates a thorough understanding of the method of proof and contains no conceptual errors, but one statement or reason is missing or is incorrect, or the concluding statement is missing..."
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> Our administration is usually right on the ball about things. I'm already aware of what high school I have to take my physics Regents exams to, in order for them to be graded, and which physics teacher's Regents exams I'll be grading. According to our admin, the graders have to be certified in that area - it's simply that you can't grade *your own* exams - not the rest of your department's exams.
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> It makes absolutely no sense to even consider that other departments are capable of grading for each other. I'll personally state that I am absolutely unqualified to grade history essays, or to grade English essays based on books that the students have read.
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> I am talking about grading the parts of the regents exam that is not multiple choice. When we were grading the assessments; teachers were not allowed to score their own students. Members of the math department have expressed reservations about the level of material to be graded on the Geo and Trig Regents - I can only imagine what a teacher of another discipline will go through when directed to grade a math regents.
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